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Hey Dana How's it going? I always took Macrobid pregnant or ttc for any infections. It's perfectly safe. Make sure you double check w/ your pharamict on whatever they give you and make sure that it's safe for trimester (fingers crossed!!) and for ttc. How is everyone else?

angelkitty, I keep on wanting to ask you this, and I just remembered, when you had your m/c...was there any indication the days before the spotting that anything was wrong? I remember you indicated that the dr categorized you as threatend m/c, but was there anything off other than the spotting, the baby measuring smaller or lower heart rate? I'm just trying to make sense of what happend to learn a little bit. Pam and I had talked about "m/c warning signs" and of course, like i said before, my baby was always measuring about 10 days behind....despite getting a heartrate, it was still lower than normal. So that was the big indicator for me. If you feel comfortable sharing this, I'd really like to know how it conspired, not that I want to keep bringing up the bad.

Linds, I had no indication at all. I'd had the spotting all along so that meant nothing to me. The baby measured right on track at the last appt with my RE, heartbeat was good. It was picture perfect. My doctor labled me as threatened m/c b/c of the spotting I had in the very beginning. He also said it makes the insurance company happy when they have justification for the u/s's. I am ok talking about this though...no worries there. The m/c was a major surprise for us.

Thanks angelkitty for explaining this. It's been bothering me a little bit, because things in retrospect get over analyzed and assessed until we come up with an answer. Since we know the baby's development was normal up till a certain point, do you think your doctor will maybe conduct regular hormone/blood level tests the next pregnancy? Meaning...will he be checking your progesterone levels periodically? I remember you said your progesterone levels immediately were taken with the the HCG levels and they were good, but were they checking it every week?

No they did not take them every week. I never really thought about it too much looking back. Once I saw the heartbeat I never ever gave the levels a second thought. I tell you what has helped me so much...reading. I have been reading supernatural childbirth by Jackie Mize...I have had that book for a while and read it before but after my m/c I cannot put it down. Reason being is she had a m/c before she had her 4 kids. Some people read it b/c they are believing for no pain during childbirth and that is ok. God will oviously meet us at our level of faith (I have some work to do before I get to that point LOL). Others read it because they just want to conceive. That was why I orginally read it. Now I am reading b/c of the m/c part and how she and her husband dealt with that. Another book I am reading is Battlefield of the Mind by Joyce Myer....she talks about how our mind really is a battlefield and how our thoughts have a lot of power over us. Both of these books were recommended to me by a friend that went through a m/c with her first pregnancy. I just do not want to live in fear that my next preg will end in a m/c and I am fighting those thoughts. Does that make sense? It is hard enough to just have a m/c but for it to be your first pregnancy...that is a bitter pill to swallow. I think if I were to be honest I would admit I was worried the whole time about having a m/c. That thought was never too far from my mind. Day in and day out I struggled with that thought. I have just made up my mind that the next time there will be no more worry on my part. You right Linds, afterward we try to figure out the "WHY"...why did this happen? What made it happen? Why me? Sound familiar? i have struggled with those thoughts.

angelkitty, those books sounds fantastic! Better than the Enron story I am reading now...I will definitely look for those books this weekend. I bring up my questions about having your progesterone checked because I have read numerous women on the m/c forum that once they experienced the spotting, the doctor usually put them on progestrone supplements right away as an act of caution, and then start monitoring their p3 levels every week. (Clomid cycles, from my experience, are over estrogenized cycles.) maybe you doctor will be more vigilant the next cycle checking blood levels?

Thanks pam I will make sure what I receive... so tell me how the u/s went?
Linds aka cybergodmommy!! i love it - they are culturing as we speak to find out what kind of bateria it is.. so i must wait.
About the YI thing.. like I said before I am prone to YI right after I O. Its insane... i get it every 2 months or so. . Im quite sick of it.

LM3, JB where are you ladies???

I actually talked to my doctor about putting me on the progesterone but as he explained it there is no real proof that it helps. He said that in many years past there were other things they preg women were given that ended up hurting the baby while it was in the womb and caused problems many years later. he said he did not think that would be the case with progesterone but he would rather not take the risk. I too have read a lot of women say that their doc put them on prog. The books are good and I am thankful I have them. Like I said , God will meet me where my faith level is and at this point i am not overly concerned about the pain of childbirth - I am more interested in the conceiveing and not having a m/c part. It was just the way her husband reacted - he stated that they would never have another m/c. Enron huh? I think that would be pretty good. Have you seen Fun with Dick and Jane - the newest one? I always think of Enron when I am doing audits - oh joy joy!!

TTC#3 i wonder why you would be prone to YI after ovulation? And yeah - where in the heck is Lovemy3 and JB!!!!!!??? I hate it when people from our little thread go MIA. But I love it when new people come and hang around. I feel like you ladies are my cyber family. :o) I miss y'all when I do not hear from you.

angel, Your dr is right, there is no proof that progesterone supplementation actually does prevent or save a troubled pregnancy. No documented research to concur that it actually does make a difference once it is determined the progesterone levels are too low, it is probably too late by then to change it because they usually check that 7 days after or 14 days after ovulation....way too late to do anything in my opinion. However, that is why doctors now changed the way they deal with it, they give progesterone immediately, right after ovulation, tell the woman to use the supplements to build up the uterine lining right away to get it going. Also, the supplements in the uterus they give don't get absorbed in the blood, it gets absorbed right away by the uterus to build it up, so it is not getting directly pumped in the baby via mother's blood. Do you think your doctor will at least monitor your P3 levels next time?

I would say he probably will considering I had a m/c but you know what - when I say I refuse to worry about every little thing when I get preg again I truly mean it. I will be darned if I will lived in fear of anything. Obviosuly I will make good choices for me and for my baby like eating healthy and not doing drugs (Ha!ha!)-although ttc can make you want to do drugs!LOL. But seriously I am not going to do to myself what i did my last preg. Even if I have kick myself in the butt everyday. I decided that before I decided to reread the two books I am reading. Does that make sense? You know what - my mama smoked cigarettes and drank all the soda and coffee she wanted and worked long hrs at her job,etc and look at me I am ok (except for the twtich ha!ha!). I just got myself all freaked out and I will be darned if I do it again.

Oh and I am going to have a lot of sex with dh when I get preg again!!!!!!!

Nice attitude angelkitty! I wish I could be there. It is funny though, all the "I don't know how I got pregnant" ladies out there that are so nieve to what happened to them are the ones that actually have normal pregnancies (whilst eating bad, smoking, etc.) I think us infertiles are robbed of that luxury, and I don't think I can play nieve now, I actually know more than I should! LOL...that is what plagues me. I know too much! And I know I have to go through IVF again, so there is no way I can play nieve either, I become the doctor's little bitch and have to listen to everything they say, so I will likely remain paranoid and worried/etc. the next cycle and in pain. And oh, ya, I can't have sex with DH for like a month because of the crotch pain and suppositories...all these things that are taken away from me remind me that I can't play nieve either. But I've adopted the I don't give a shit attitude, so maybe that difference in this cycle, as compared with my previous "I want this so bad" attitude will make things more favorable for me :)

Linds, you are a nut!!! You make me smile!!! So are you going to try natural at all or are you going right into ivf? I apologize - I am sure you have said already and I missed it. W/o sex for a month??!!!!! Oh my!!! Now tell me again why is that necessary?!!!!*#@$%

Girl, I've been trying natural forever, won't ever look at a condom ever again! But I have to be realistic too, doing what the doctor says, and this cycle they are gonna let me ovulate and then start turning off the pituitary system after ovulation (and after confirming no pregnancy occurred) so ya, in a way I am trying natural this cycle. (You make me smile too...)

My ob says its just one of those things I'll have to live with.. like linds said women get a small overgrowth of yeast during the luteal phase of the cycle due to the sharp spike in hormone changes & apparently that is me. I've been taking acidophilis that she recommend but not faithfully which I will now!
Boy linds the way you speak about ivf I cant wait to jump right into that!! just kidding.. 1 month.. thats insane.. but gotta do what a girls gotta do!