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Thanks so much for your kind thoughts. I ovulated on clomid too......very well actually, but also never got PG. It was after that, that we thought of our best course of action would be to talk to the specialist about having a lap before doing treatments because we simply refused to waste time and money. Something was obviously hindering us from getting PG since I was ovulating so well with clomid. My advice to you is to have the lap. I'm curious though as to what risks you are concerned about the most? I was never concerned because the doc I was seeing has a golden reputation and I just knew I was in good hands. It was the easiest decision I ever made to be honest. I wanted a baby and just knew in my gut that this was what I needed to do. I was not going to spend $15,000 on IVF one day and risk that not working either. I was completely knocked out and recovery was quick and really not painful at all. My insurance covered it because my doctor coded it as medically necessary since he suspected some endo, but there was a certain amount we paid out of pocket. Between the doc and surgical nurse, they cost about $300 and the surgical center cost about $400. To me though, that $700 was nothing compared to money I could have wasted by doing cycles of drugs, etc.... The $300 I had to pay before surgery and the $400 they billed me. I am paying that off month to month, $100 each month. Do the surgery as long as you feel you are in good hands. The doc I saw is patient, he is not overworked, he thrives on what he does, and he is gentle. You can tell that he is an intellectual and does it for the love of the game, not the money. The money is an afterthought to someone like him.

hi tracy, thank you so much for all of your help. i also tried for about a year and then saw my ob he did clomid 4 cycles, blood work, i had some spotting after o so we thought my prog. was a little low, clomid helped but nothing. i had a laporoscopy in feb found moderate endo, pretty much everywhere. they did an hsg the next month and found both tubes looked good. well i tried 2more rounds of clomid and was fed up so went to specialist, he put me on letrozole he said there was nothing he could see that would be stopping us from concieving so i'm "unexplained infertility". so he said give it up to 6mo on let. or if i wanted to try shots/iui then that is an option. so i go dec. 6 for the iui teaching....i'm so excited. i'm currently off of everything this mo and on cd 23. thanks for your answers. did they do ultrasound to monitor when to do the trigger?

Yes, I had bloodwork and ultrasounds to see how things were progressing toward ovulation. What is Letrazole?

Leah, it just dawned on me to ask you this, but why did your doc do an HSG a month after your lap when they can do it during your lap? I had alrady had an HSG done with another doc, but when my new doc did my lap he flushed my tubes to see how long it took for the fluid to come through. Just curious. I thought that was a little odd and redundant. I am no doctor though.

hey there, Just me...I noticed you haven't been on the over board with all the bad news over there etc, so I thought I' d come find you here. How are you? I'm cd30 and waiting, haven't tested yet, since I o'd late on cd20.

LUCKY (and anyone else interested!) - one thing I'd recommend is making sure that the doctor has tested your hormones. My specialist didn't before putting me on clomid. During my 2nd clomid cycle, I had my progesterone tested on the advice of my naturopath. It turned out to be low. I went on prometrium during the 3rd clomid cycle and got pg (after a year of trying). If my naturopath hadn't encouraged me to get that test, I wouldn't have done it, and would have ended up going on to have the HSG, when probably the progesterone was the problem all along. Best of luck to you.

tracy, letrozole is another name for femera, a breast cancer drug that they now use like clomid but it doesnt have the side effects of clomid. i'm off everything right now and waiting for my af. should be here between sat and tues? (off meds so who knows when) now with the hsg test....when i had the lap done doc did a test with the tubes very similar to hsg and found both to appear blocked. he seemed to think it might have been an infection or more probable that they sensed the instruments from my lap and closed up like a proctective mechanism.?? well he ordered an hsg to see if that was the case seeing how he did my lap mid cycle(only opening) and hsg done beginning of cycle. test for right tube was def. open but left tube was not for sure because dye had filled my abdominal cavity and unable to see spillage. but it was believed to be open. now i just released my films to my re and he should get back to me early next week to see if he thinks i should repeat it. in order to do iui in jan. sorry so long but alot happened in that short time. i'm not so sold my tubes are fine but i'll let the re decide. thanks for the info i'll let you know how everything goes early week. how have you been feeling, is it just so amazing or what!!! happy thanksgiving!!!

Happy Thanksgiving people! Leah, thanks for clearing things up for me. Now I understand perfectly why your doc did things the way he did. Actually getting PG is amazing, but hard to grasp after wanting it for so long. The growing belly and seeing the baby move on ultrasounds is what makes it real. Morning sickness does too I guess, which thankfully is gone! LM3 and Val--I checked in on the pregnancy board the other day and all I had to see was, "K**** I am so sorry for your loss," and I knew I couldn't read anymore. I feel bad because I have compassion that I could not share, but with the anxiety I have, I could not stick around. I was already feeling terrible because I had taken a Tylenol with codeine for my migraine, and even though the OB prescribed it, I was worrying that the baby's heart couldn't handle it or something. I would not have taken anything if at all possible, but I was on my second day of pain and couldn't take anymore. Anyway, since that day I have been afraid that I hurt my baby and so I couldn't handle K*****"s news. LM3-please keep me posted on your cycle, and Val, keep me posted on your wee one. Have I missed any other good news?

Tracy...hope your headache is feeling better. thats awful that you have been getting them. happy thanksgiving. I am on cd31, tested this am-BFN again. I am 11 dpo and praying that it is too early. I don't feel like I'm getting af and when I had my second baby it was cd37 when I finally got a BFP, looks like I have always o'd late, looking back. Pls pray for me, I think this month I'm just ready to give up, thanks, XOXO

Tracy - I have been off for a few weeks. Crazy with work and holidays. Well my Af came on Nov 15th and I am having my laparoscopy on the 30th. I am really nervous but want the day to come to see if there are anymore cysts or anything else wrong with me. In the meantime, I decided to get my lap before injectibles so that I don't waste my time if there is someting wrong with me. I o just fine and my hormone levels are great and had many follicles on my own, DH's SA are awesome so I think it is my egg quality. I had a blighted ovum last June 05 and not been able to get pg since. I hope I can start TTC again after the lap. Were you able to TTC right after the lap? I will be around CD 16 by the time my lap and expect AF around Dec 11/12th. I hope we can try right away. I had to give up this month and not too happy about it. I wasn't sure if they tell me that i need to take a time off to heal after a lap??? I am hoping for an Xmas conception!!! How are you feeling?

DCL-my doc wanted us to take a break for the rest of the cycle after the lap (I had mine on cd9) so things could heal, then the next cycle we tried naturally, and the one after that we did the injectables. It really doesn't take long to heal after this surgery, but he didn't want me to do injectables the month following just in case. Plus, he monitored me that month to see how my hormones levels were in comparison to follicle size, etc.... and that helped him determine what kind of injectable protocol he wanted to do. I know it's a bummer when you are told to take a break, but believe me it is worth it in the end. I told someone else this story..........I was a teacher and went to a meeting at my old school in June. When I got there four of my old friends were pregnant and they were having a huge baby shower for all of them. I wanted to cry so bad, but had to keep a smile on my face. I was sweating and just wanted to leave to break down and cry. The point of this story is that if someone with magical powers could have told me that in 3 months I would be pregnant, I would have stopped my pity party right there and enjoyed the fact that my friends were happy. I did get PG 3 months later and thought, wow, what a short time it had been from the time I started seeing this particular doctor to the time I got PG. I am so happy you are doing things in the order that makes sense and I don't think you will regret it. You are like me, you ovulate, your hormones are fine, etc... I really think that after the lap the injectables will work the miracle you are seeking. Be patient and do what the doc says. Don't stress yourself with a timeline and it will all go according to plan, I promise.

T - I definitely understand about you not wanting to post/read on the other board. I've also not been on there much. After a m/c, others often post their stories and some words get stuck in my head and I start worrying. I'm trying to only think positive thoughts and read positive stories. Speaking of, it snowed here today, and it's absolutely beautiful out. I'm going to go out walking before I have to head for work. Re: medication - I don't think your dr would have prescribed it if he/she was worried about the risks. Take care, and good luck to all the ladies on here ttc.

Val, I sent you an email, let me know if you got it.

Thanks Tracy - I have a pre-op appt with my Dr tomorrow and DH and I actually have a bunch of questions for him. I was told by a few people that I probably should of had a lap awhile back but I had an HSG in Feb, Hysteroscopy in May and 3 failed clomid cycles between Aug - Oct so I hope they can shed some light on Thursday. I also hope I can do the injectibles b/c I have heard good things lately!!! Do you know if they can detect endo thru regular u/s or is it just thru a lap? Also, I noticed the last few months that at the end of my AF I have brownish mucus (sorry for being gross) and lasts about 7-8 days after AF bleeding. Is that a sign of something. I did have 3 cysts last month so not sure if it has to do with them or they are passing thru. I hate not knowing what is going on!!!

The only way they can even remotely see endo by ultrasound is if they see what are called chocolate cysts on your ovaries. A lap is really the only way to tell though. I can't say what the brownish stuff is you have at the end of your period. It could just be old blood mixed in with the cervical mucus that starts to increase toward ovulation, or it could be something else. The lap will tell all. Keep me posted on everything. Did you always have the brownish stuff or just since you've been on clomid?

Hey Tracy...popping in, seeing how you are doing. How is the m/s? not much new with me. Got my af (again). Maybe this month will be better!