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Answer: Hey everyone. I am glad for a new thread. Kind of like a new beginning. I have been reading up a lot on IUI. Does anyone have personal experience? On the few sites that I have found it seems that the success rate isn't as high as I would think. Hope to talk soon. Dust!

Name: CC | Date: January 18, 2006, 16:30

Answer: EMM-Most of the others are doing or have done IUI in the past...I also have read up recently on it since thats where I am headed. I am wracked w/ nerves about it already and I dont even know when my 1st one will be. I am thinking if the RE puts me back on the meds for PCOS it might be a few months.

Name: EMM | Date: January 18, 2006, 16:34

Answer: CC-I think that might be the best thing that my dh and I can do. We definitely won't be able to afford IVF. He says he knows that his sperm count is low, so it might just be the solution for us. I ovulate every month exactly on day 14, and my cycles are 27 days long every month for the entire time that I have been charting. Here is a personal q? I don't know how much you let your other family members know about your concerns, but will you tell everyone? I mean people in my family know that we are having a hard time ttc again, but I haven't really told them that we are considering using "helpers." I don't really know if I want to to. My dh's side of the family is alway so critical of me. Since he is not healthy (he has other conditions) they baby him so much, and I am always under a microscope. I just don't know if I want them knowing. What do you think

Name: CC | Date: January 18, 2006, 16:40

Answer: Lynn-I dont know why nothing would be covered under your insurance if you did another IUI...Nothing covered, not even the meds ?? Do you know if you have a IUI limit, or if you can only have 1 in a certain amount of time, regardless of the fiscal year ? Does your RE office help you with any of this stuff ? I know infertility isnt covered or partially covered by most insurance's, and some RE's office sound and seem reluctant to help with insurance issues at all.

Name: CC | Date: January 18, 2006, 16:44

Answer: EMM-Since my DH has motility issues I am hoping its our answer too. When you say about using helpers, would you need donor sperm, or you mean the IUI process itself ?

Name: EMM | Date: January 18, 2006, 16:48

Answer: Well we have 1 child already, so I am hoping that he just has motility issues as well. Oh, when I say "helpers" I just mean the process itself. Anything other than on our own I guess. My husband's sis got pregnant in just 1 month after being off the pill, and now we are getting compared to her and her husband quite often...even though we already have a child. I hate it.

Name: Lori | Date: January 18, 2006, 17:01

Answer: EMM - we do IUIs. It is a simple process. I have never experienced any pain during the procedure. Afterward, I have had cramping, some severe. Like CC asked, are you referring to "helpers" as donor sperm? I think that the man has it rougher because they "Have" to "perform". One time we were a little late getting to the RE office because poor DH was feeling the pressure (they only except samples between 6:30 - 7:00 am), and they let it be known that we were late! But, with low sperm counts and low motility, IUI is a procedure worth giving a try. Any other questions, don't hesitate to ask.

Name: EMM | Date: January 18, 2006, 17:04

Answer: Thanks Lori. No, I just meant that anything other than just the two of us as "helper." I will be more clear next time. Like I said my inlaws are just very quick to criticize. So, I just wonder if you guys share info with family, or keep it to yourselves?

Name: CC | Date: January 18, 2006, 17:13

Answer: EMM-How insensitive is your DH's family!! I think with a circumstance like that, I dont think I would share any info with them at all about your efforts. They already know you are having a hard time and they dont seem very kind to that fact. When you do get pregnant, if you wanted to share the experiences with them afterwards, then maybe, but during the process..I wouldnt say a word. Both my and dh's family know we are having some trouble, my family knows more because they ask and I tell them, dh's family is anxious for us to have kids, but they dont ask (prob cause they know we are having problems). Sorry that you have that extra pressure from them. Shame on them!!

Name: Elyse | Date: January 18, 2006, 17:24

Answer: Hi Ladies. I just found this new thread. OK - here is my experience with IUI. I am 35 now and have not really had infertility "problems". 2 yrs ago, my partner (a woman) and I decided to have a baby and that I would carry. We chose a fertility practice and went. He suggested IUI from the start (obviously). Here's how it worked. On cd3, I was to come to the office for bloodwork to get baselines. I began taking Repronex (injectables) that night. I was to take one shot every night for 3 nights and come the following day for bloodwork and u/s. The follicles were growing and the lining was getting thicker. So I continued Repronex shots for 2 nights and came back the 3rd day for bloodwork and scan. Everything looking good - follicles growing (I think I had 2 on each side) and lining good. Repronex for another 2 nights and back for bloodwork and scan. OK, now 2 follicles ready (20 and 19), so one more night of Repronex and bloodwork and scan the following day. Ok, now 3 follicles ready and getting ready to ovulate, based on bloodwork. They called that day with instrxns...take the HCG trigger that night at 7 PM and come the following morning at 8 AM for IUI and the day after that at 8AM for 2nd IUI. 2 days after IUI, start progesterone and come 5 days later for prog levels bloodwork and 1 week after that for pg test. VOILA! Pregnant. I have an 18 month old and we are trying again. We did IUI in Nov, then waited 1 month and now we are trying again. IUI on SUn and Mon, pg test on 30th. I am very hopeful - feeling the symtpoms, but we will see.

Name: jcr | Date: January 18, 2006, 17:47

Answer: Hi! It is nice to have a new thread!! I love BELLY BUMPS! That is where we are all heading soon! I am just doing a quick email. Our neighbors had sperm motility issues, had less than 2% chance of concieving naturally. Had 1 baby IVF, then got pg naturally. He said he started drinking green tea faithfully????? Wouldn't hurt to try? I'll write more later. bellyrubs and big hugs and road to bellybumps!

Name: Lynn | Date: January 18, 2006, 20:11

Answer: CC...I have no clue about the insurance. IUI's and IVF's were never covered. But my meds have always been covered. In August, we used follistim and did IUI...got prego but ended in an ectopic. After me healing time and them being closed for the holidays...it lead me to this month and now I find out insurance will not cover any meds if done with IUI or IVF. I am still calling and asking. No RE office does nothing to help...she basically complained to me yesterday that they hated dealing with my perscription company (which is medco). UGH!!!!! Need to get home before 5pm to call. EMM....I have doen 3 IUI's in the last year (2005). 2 IUI's were done with clomid. Nothing....basically i was responding okay with clomid but seeing it dries up CM, they wanted to do an IUI to by-pass all that. After spending $ for those and nothing, I took a 6 month break from IUI's. In Aug 2005, I did 1st IUI+follistim....it worked but ended in my ectopic (which happens often when using injections). My RE office only does 1 IUI so you would need to ask what is standard practice in your office. I have been going to an RE for the better part of almost 2 years...My biggest suggestion...ask all the questions you can ask. They are getting paid to help you so no question should ever be viewed as stupid or they are going to laugh at me for asking. I have learned lots in my 2 years and I now ask everything...especially after my emergency surgery. Gosh...I feel like this is going to be so long....(sorry girls) EMM...about dh family....I know exactly where you come from. My in-laws are awful. It is mostly my mother-in-law and sister-in-law....they are always saying little things and comparing the fact my dh has 2 children from previous marriage and why are we not having any. My mother-in-law even went as far as spreading my dh had a vasectomy (sp) before we met. In 2004, we got pregnant and never said anything...I miscarried 6 weeks later. When we got pregnant in August 2005, we were not saying anything either...we were going to give ultrasound picture at Christmas...when I was rushed to the hospital...dh was scared and called them ( being from pittsburgh..I have NO family here). That is how they found out we were pregnant. They have no clue were are going to a RE (only my mom does). So..if his family is judging and looking for every little thing...don't tell. jcr...femera seems to be going okay....no headaches....and I got on 26th to see if I responded to meds. Lastly...sorry so long...

Name: Tracy | Date: January 18, 2006, 20:13

Answer: Hey girls! Still kind-of depressed today, but it's helpful to know that it is just my hormones. Last night DH said it's probably also that I got AF and am only facing my anger and fears now. He had a good point. I wish I had something to add about IUI or insurance, but I haven't done IUI yet and disregard the fact that insurance doesn't cover a whole lot. I just pay for whatever needs paying for. (Not that I can afford it.) DH also said last night that if we don't get PG this month we are switching to another really reputable guy and will pay out of our wedding money if we have to. I thought that was sweet and told him it will cost 200.00 just to walk in the door and he said fine. So I feel good about that because this other doctor is GOOD. So is the one I go to, but he is so busy and I think I want a little better service, you know, maybe some monitoring or IUI. I know he feels confident the clomid will work for me by itself, but I fear I'm wasting time. We'll see, maybe I will have a bfp before I need to consider changing doctors. I like the positive energy belly bumps brings....the old thread had AF written all over it!!!!!

Name: Tracy | Date: January 18, 2006, 20:25

Answer: Oh and Emm, about the family thing, I agree to keep it to yourself and to your family. I am fortunate enough to have great in-laws, although there is one person in the family that I don't want knowing my business anymore. I therefore just don't talk about my struggle around that one person.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 18, 2006, 21:11

Answer: Ok, here is something I'll bet you haven't heard before.......I just fell down my stairs!!!!!!!! I am such an idiot!!!! I didn't know whether to laugh or cry and I was too afraid to move because I was afraid I broke my back. I was wearing socks going down carpeted steps so my feet just slipped out from under me and I landed on my back. DH came running and lifted me up and hugged me (he's so sweet). I just started crying........then I laughed:) My lower back hurts now, so I'm gonna go lay down and call my sister. Love ya!

Name: EMM | Date: January 18, 2006, 21:14

Answer: I am glad to hear that I am not the only one who has inlaw issues. I am very afraid that if everyone knows that they will question that my son is my husband's. I know, and he knows and that is all that matters. But what if those crazy inlaws of mine start thinking, or worse saying stuff like that. I wish that I had a mother-in-law that I liked and wanted to hang out with and shop with, but fat chance of that ever happening. Thanks for relating.

Name: Lynn | Date: January 18, 2006, 21:47

Answer: EMM...I know what you mean about wanting a good relationship with your mother-in-law. When dha dn I were dating he never wanted to do anything with his family. I always gave lectures on you only have family and need to be closer...give it a chance and etc. He said you wait you will see why...well...I do know why he never wants to be around his family. I do like my father-in-law so that is who I talk to most when I am there. If you ever want to vent...look me up and I could share stories that would make you melt. Tracy...I switched doctors in our practice. It was a big step but when you are paying good money and NEVER seeing the RE, it was time to move onto a new doctor building his clients and giving the monitoring and time you so much need during this time. I hope you get that BFP so you do not have to make that change...Everyone...good luck this month...we need more BFP!!!!!!

Name: lene | Date: January 18, 2006, 21:57

Answer: Hey Elsyse, it's lene from the other forum. Hi ladies! I am on my 1st IUI and am actually on the same timing as Elsyse. One ques for you Elsyse...what symptoms did you feel when you were pregant? AND what symptoms are you feeling now? I feel sometimes like a pull in my insides...sometimes stronger then others...is that a symptom?????? :(

Name: Lori | Date: January 18, 2006, 22:26

Answer: My mother-in-law said to me one time, "I can't help to think sometimes that if my son were married to another woman, I would be a grandmother 3 times over by now." That hurt!! But, I thought about it and realized that she wants to be a grandmother just as much as I want to be a mother. She knows about our struggle and even offers to pay for the IUIs (of course we won't let her - that is just too "weird"). We talk to each other at least once a week for sometimes 2 hours at a time. She actually has become a friend. So, I guess I am pretty lucky.

Name: jcr | Date: January 18, 2006, 23:17

Answer: Hi all. Sorry about the inlaw issues. That sucks! My ex-Mother in Law was a nightmare, so I can relate to how you all feel. My current one is FAR away in Equador and Father in law in Puerto Vallarta. So... my only issue is they don't see Ryley very often. So I am lucky. Here is a question for you all-today is cd 9 for me. I have a bit of ewcm, I am spotting slightly. I took an opk test (#2) and forgot about it. When I checked it 3 hours later is was very dark. I took another one not too long ago that was lighter??? Could I be ovulating this soon?? I hope not dh refuses to bd because it takes 2 days for femara to be out of your system and there have been studies that show birth defects if taken while pg. So he says he wants to wait an extra day!!!! So I am hoping I do not miss an early ovulation b/c of that. I am freaking out. I guess I'll call RE tomorrow and probably do an ultrasound to be safe. But I am a little worried. Lynn, glad is going well with femara so far. Tracy I hope your back is ok. I am sorry you are on the emotional rollercoaster. Hang in there Girl! Well gotta go clean dishes and put child to bed. BIG HUGS, BELLY RUBS AND FUTURE BELLYBUMPS!!

Name: JCR | Date: January 18, 2006, 23:19

Answer: ok, that is 3 sticks I have peed on and only cd 9. I am still sticking with my origninal number of 17!!!!

Name: Elyse | Date: January 19, 2006, 8:22

Answer: Good Morning! Lori - I am sooo sorry to heatr about the things your mother-in-law says. How hurtful. Just know that you WILL be pg! Don't let her hate or her hurt in - block it with all the baby dust you can find. Lene, The 1st time I was pg I had the same symptoms (I think) that I have now. I feel crampy and tugging inside. My back is killing me- lower back - like sciatica. I feel very emotional, weepy and very lovey and I feel this incredible sense of calm and peace on top of all the anxiety. I also want to eat every single thing in the house. i ate a whole bag of oreos in 2 days! I never do that! Hope that helps.

Name: Lori | Date: January 19, 2006, 8:24

Answer: Tracy - sorry about your fall down the stairs. I hope you are alright!! JCR - I have heard that some fertility drugs can affect OPKs. Whether or not femara is one of them, I am not sure. The best bet would be to call your doctor and ask. It seems strange the you would get a line on cd9. But, then again, I am no expert.

Name: Elyse | Date: January 19, 2006, 8:25

Answer: Hey everyone - what is the earliest dp O or dp IUI that you have tested and got an accurate result?

Name: EMM | Date: January 19, 2006, 10:36

Answer: Good morning everyone. I love to see that I am not alone with the in law thing. Looks like we could start a whole new thread! But back to the other stuff. As I have said before I am like clockwork 27 days, and day 14. This month though it is day 9 and I still have some pink down there. Usually on day 6 I am finished with AF for the month. Anyone have any experience like that? I guess it is normal, but when you are looking for every little tiny thing then you tend to notice things that don't even matter. Well check back later!

Name: jcr | Date: January 19, 2006, 10:48

Answer: Emm, today is cd 10 for me and yesterday I also had pink??? Very new to me. AF was finished on Monday? So I don't know what is up. Tracy how is your back? Are you feeling better today? Lynn, how are things on femara. I go in the 25th to see if it is working for me. Although I will call today and see if they want to see me. I read back thru all the thread and sorry for all the insurance junk! I am lucky mine covers everything?? I am blue cross/blue shield, and I just need to see someone on my list. It doesn't include anyone that I have heard raving things about, but so far the RE I found seems to be ok. When do they decide to do IUI instead of telliing you to just bd? How is everyone doing this morning? I guess we are all on close to the same day this cycle. When is a good time to start bd'ing? I never know when I am the most fertile-silly huh? belly rubs.

Name: CC | Date: January 19, 2006, 15:10

Answer: Hi everyone...I guess I am feeling out of sorts today, I dont know why. I am grumpy and grouchy for really no reason. My sis-in-law driving me crazy (non related ttc issues) but that should be enough to make me feel so aggro today. I feel a little out of touch w/ everyone one the thread as we are back to ttc on our own for now until we see RE and I dont have much to share in that area. EMM and jcr, I too am having a weird cycle. I still have so much yellowish cm its really driving me crazy and I am to the point where I think I need a panty liner. I dont get it. EMM sometimes my af lingers and goes long, or will stop and start up again, maybe thats what is happening to you? Could it be irritation from bd'ing? jcr, I think the opk you forgot about was dark because it sat for so long. Take the leap and buy the Clear Blue monitor. It will take the guess work out of when you are ovulating.Tracy, hope you are doing better and your hormones calm down when you are done w/ the Clomid (when is your last day?)..Its awful you are feeling so badly.

Name: Lori | Date: January 19, 2006, 17:36

Answer: Hi everybody! CC - sorry to hear that you are out of sorts. Don't feel out of touch with us, ttc is ttc no matter how it is done. Hubby and I are definately going for a few natural cycles if this one doesn't work. Jcr & Lynn - you both are doing femara, are either of you doing anything else? EMM - what do you and your DH plan to do for this cycle? How is everything going? Tracy - I hope that you are ok! Falls down stairs can be nasty!! Are you planning on doing anything else along with clomid this cycle? Elyse and lene, I am not sure where you are at in your cycle?

Name: Elyse | Date: January 19, 2006, 17:40

Answer: Hi Lori, I had IUI on Sun and Mon, so progesteronle levels on the 23rd and pg test on the 30th. But I have been plotting to cheat by the 27th and do a HPT, along with a couple others. I think Lene is scheduled for pg test on the 30th too.

Name: CC | Date: January 19, 2006, 17:56

Answer: Thanks Lori for making me feel a little better. I just feel so hopeless right now with the ttc issue. It will pass, it always does, but sometimes there are a few days a month where I get really depressed about it. Can I ask a question of all being seen by a RE who have PCOS...Were all of you already taking the meds prior to being seen by your RE ?

Name: d | Date: January 19, 2006, 18:09

Answer: Wow, this is where everyone went. It took me a day. Lol. Hope everyone is well. No wicked witch here still. So i am now debating if i should take a test. It was due on the 17th. and no signs of it showing. Baby Dust to all.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 19, 2006, 18:24

Answer: Hey ladies, thanks for all the concern about my back. I'm fine, I have a nasty bruise on my lower back/butt and I am sore all over, as if I were in a car accident. I'm good. My biggest fear as I was laying there on my back was having to go get x-rays or breaking something and that affecting my month. All is well. I seem to get clumsy when I am feeling low, so it did not surprise me one bit that I fell. I think about three or four days ago I walked into a wall. Can you say distracted????? JCR-I now have Blue Cross/Blue Shield, so I am going to check first to see who is on my list. I did not think any insurance co. would pay for infertility issues of any kind. Good to know! And just my two cents.....my doctor told me to BD on days 12, 14, and 16 so I intend to try it on 10,12, 14, and 16. Last month I had EWCM on day 13 though, so I have been wondering how much not having sex that day might have played a role in not getting PG????What do yu guys think? CC--my last dose of clomid is tonight, thank God. Please don't feel out of touch, like I said before, just BD around when you think you're fertile even if you are not on meds. You never know what can happen, and you can at least know that you tried a little. I don't know, but we need you here even if you feel out of touch.Lor--I am doing clomid, robitussin, and baby aspirin--that's it. Last month the doc said my day 21 progesterone was 32.6. Very high, responded well, doesn't think I need anything else. Who knows. Belly RUUUUBBBSSS!

Name: Tracy | Date: January 19, 2006, 18:31

Answer: D--I say test, it won't hurt. I tested 5 times last month, all obviously BFN. Each time I saw a BFN I was a little disappointed, but it also made me realize that AF could show at any time and I would have to be OK with that. AF showed on the fourth day that I was late. I was not Ok with that depite my mental preparation!!!

Name: EMM | Date: January 19, 2006, 19:00

Answer: Hey everyone. Tomorrow is the day that DH is going to give sample. Do you guys know about how long it takes to find out the results?

Name: jcr | Date: January 19, 2006, 19:18

Answer: CC, Sorry you are feeling out of sorts. Don't feel out of touch with this thread. You probably have more chance than all of us!! I was on metformin b4 I saw RE. I went in today for ultrasound-just to check. Nothing to report. Looks like I'll probably be late ovulating again. I am starting to get down about this ttc'ing. Everyone in my family is too fertile, why me?? It really sucks. Tracy-I'd call the insurance company-they sent me a letter saying everything that is covered. Lynn, how is the femara treating you? Seems like we are all a bit down the last few days. I guess it's the over analyzing we do while we are waiting to see if we ovulate. I don't know which is worse the 2ww b4 or after o'ing. I know I am always on edge wondering when or if it is going to happen. Yeeeeesh. Anyways.... Big hugs and belly rubs.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 19, 2006, 19:21

Answer: Emm, my DH took his in at 830 AM and they told him it would take like two days. Perhaps all labs are not the same though. I then had to get the results from the doctor (OB/GYN) who ordered the test. I just talked to him on the phone.

Name: CC | Date: January 19, 2006, 19:28

Answer: Tracy-A lot of insurance's will pay for all or partial infertility treatments. Always good to read your benefits or call them to verify. It would be shame to have something done that was covered but that they wont pay because you didnt get it authorized or something. Tracy, I think as long as you bd BEFORE you O, then you should be ok, and you did your best. Thanks for the kind words from you too. It does make me feel better and not so hopeless. Being off all the drugs, etc is great, but you do have a sense of "Now what!?" We will still try and have fun and thats all we can do I guess. Glad you are ending the Clomid round..By Sat or Sun you should be feeling like your old self again, or at least better!

Name: CC | Date: January 19, 2006, 19:30

Answer: EMM-When my dh gave both his samples, it took about a week to get the results back, and the 2nd time I had to call my OB (who ordered) as no one ever called me..Have him ask the lab when he goes, they should know how long it will take to get the results, and if you dont hear back by the time they give, you should call.

Name: CC | Date: January 19, 2006, 19:36

Answer: jcr, I missed your post too. I dont know whats wrong with me today, I really feel out of whack. I agree w/ you about feeling down, and for some reason I feel like I could chop my dh's head off for really no reason. Its almost like pre-PMS and I hope I wake up tomorrow feeling like myself.

Name: CC | Date: January 19, 2006, 19:38

Answer: This new thread is already so long!

Name: CC | Date: January 19, 2006, 19:38

Answer: Anyone know if there is a better way that we all can keep in touch ? Some other kind of forum or chat place ? Just a thought..

Name: Lynn | Date: January 19, 2006, 20:19

Answer: Hey...I am so lost posting at night. I feel like I have missed most everything for the day. Femera seems to be doing okay. Before I left my old OB...he said to BD from cd 10 - cd 22 (every other day). My RE said dh count is fine and if we BD'd every other day until seeing EWCM then daily..we would be fine. New RE said dh is fine and whatever and whenever and as much as we could do. I think you should just check with your OB or RE for advice. I am on cd 6 and no more sign of AF. So I figure we will begin BDing on Saturday and go from there. check back later....

Name: d | Date: January 19, 2006, 20:48

Answer: Hey Ladies, How much robitussin a day? I know the witch is going to show her face. I know we have a problem some where just have to find it. I keep getting yelled at by my parents. "Stop trying so hard" it will happen. That drives me nuts. Still no af... Baby Dust to all. Tracy I know the back pain. I fell down my first apartment stairs and well physical therapy was everyday after that. I fell down wooden stairs outside and didn't stop until i got to the concrete. And it was because it was icy. That is very painful.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 19, 2006, 21:00

Answer: D--I'm sorry, but I was laughing as I read your post because I have been laughing about my own fall ever since it happened. It always sounds funnier than it really is and wow, your fall does not sound pretty. At least you had an excuse; it was icy.... I fell because I was just clumsy! I'm sorry to hear you had to go to therapy and everything. As far as the robitussin is concerned, I don't even know how much to take. I don't really like it, so it's been like once or twice a day. Yesterday I took Mucinex since it's in pill form, but I only took one. It may not be enough. I think I read on another thread that some girl was taking it like three times a day. I still don't think my CM is affected by the clomid, but I'm no doctor so who knows. I have an appointment on Tuesday for my post-coital test, he'll let me know then if I am a sperm-killer or not. D--if you don't mind me asking, how old are you and how long have you been TTC?

Name: Tracy | Date: January 19, 2006, 21:02

Answer: Elyse--I'm sorry, I never welcomed you to the thread! Glad to have you!

Name: d | Date: January 19, 2006, 22:22

Answer: Hey Tracy, I am 27 and have been ttc this is our 11th month now. I laugh about my fall too. Oh wait and about 2 months ago i slipped on my socks and went down my carpeted stairs inside the house. LOL. i forgot about that. And dh was outside when it happened and he came back in and saw me at the bottom. LOL. I have wondered if i might be a sperm killer. I just can't figure it out. how about you. age? ttc if you don't mind? Lots of baby dust to all.

Name: d | Date: January 19, 2006, 22:25

Answer: Dh and I had a talk. If I am not pg. well we have to take some steps. But i told him one night we have to get drunk or just do it out of no where. I will not say I am o'ing anymore. But as said with the lightheadness no bb's hurting. somethings gotta give. my mother had the lightheadedness. My cousin didn't know she was pg until 2.5 months... bfn urine all the time. and second blood test showed. arrghh. Just got to wait and see. I keep saying this is torture Just let the witch show up but nothing. Baby Dust to all

Name: Tracy | Date: January 19, 2006, 22:57

Answer: D-I am 35, Dh is 32 and we've been TTC for a little over a year. I just laughed my A** off when you said you were found at the bottom of the stairs. Too funny!!!

Name: jcr | Date: January 19, 2006, 23:10

Answer: D, don't you hate it when people tell you to relax and not think about it!!! I think I have bit one or two heads off of people who say that to me!! Tracy, I too am a big klutz. I have scars on my belly from when I was pg, I ironed my belly once and another time I was taking cookies out of the oven and the cookie sheet burned my belly, as for falls I'd have you here all night with those stories. One morning I was carrying my big gulp up the stairs to my work (several years ago) and fell up the stairs, the lid popped off and soda went all over my face, hair and shirt. I just walked in the office with Dt coke dripping down my nose and knew it was going to be a bad day. Everyone else had a good laugh tho! As far as bding I always feel like we should do more of it. This month I'll have to work harder at it I guess. Well good night all. Big hugs and belly rubs.

Name: Lori | Date: January 20, 2006, 6:22

Answer: Good (early) morning to everyone!! I am just remembering a fall I had and snickering. I was walking my dog and tripped over uneven cement. The dog thought that I was on the ground to play with him and started jumping all over me. Some guy came by and thought that we were just playing too, and I was too embarrassed to ask him for help. Finally I was able to get up and hobble home. It's pretty funny looking back at it. On another note, I am almost tempted to cancel the IUIs for this cycle and try naturally. Haven't talked to DH to see how he feels about it. But, here is my thought process - I get the trigger shot on Saturday (will ovulate sometime between Saturday night and Monday morning). If we bd on Saturday, Monday and Wednesday, then we should have it covered. The IUIs will be done on Sunday and Monday morning. I guess what has me nervous is that dh says that Sunday shouldn't be a problem but he doesn't know if he can make Monday happen. He always does have more of a problem on the second day. He is working 7 days a week, really long hours. And if he can't come through on Monday, then I will feel like the one IUI wouldn't be enough, and knowing hubby as I do, getting up as early as we have to for the IUI, he will be "ruined" for Monday night if he can't produce Monday morning, and that would blow just about the whole cycle. I guess I am just nervous, too, that anything we do will not work and I will always wonder "if we did it the other way, would it have worked?" Sorry about the rambling, just feeling anxious about it all again this cycle.

Name: d | Date: January 20, 2006, 8:50

Answer: Jcr- Ouch, Ironed your belly. oooh that had to hurt.. I hate it when people say that crap.. and i can't stand how my mother can be so negative too. Oh did i metion I took a test last night bfn... i should have maybe waitied until this morning. cause the witch still didn't show... I will post something else i thought i did last night.

Name: d | Date: January 20, 2006, 8:52

Answer: Well I got a BFN last night.....gotta be too early. The biggest things that are making me think it is not coming. Is the bb's don't hurt at all. They are usually screaming 8 days before af. and i get a bad headache and heartburn the night before af. AND nothing. arrghh. But still no signs of the witch showing. In the past when I thought Oh maybe pg and If i felt cramps i would be oh here it comes and i go check and sure enough it was there. Everytime now i keep saying ok it is going to be there and it is not. I wonder if maybe those dark opks on early last week (2 sundays ago) meant something and it happened then. The only thing i can think of is that. When I got my dark lines for new yrs i never o'd so maybe i o'd later. One time I was this late and my cycle was switching and that was november. Since then it switched back. and december was on the money. Baby Dust to all. A couple of my cousins didn't get +++ until they were over a week late for af.

Name: d | Date: January 20, 2006, 8:54

Answer: Lori, My dog has done that too me too. Mine likes to trip me. She is a boxer and walks into things. We all get anxious when the new cycle begins.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 20, 2006, 10:01

Answer: Lori--D is right, we are all anxious. I have had those thoughts about waht we could have done differently, etc... it's Ok to vent your frustrations and fears because I know we all understand where you are coming from. I love the clutz stories!!!! I find myself laughing so hard. I wonder if the universe made me fall so I'd have something to laugh about during this low point???? Well, finished the clomid last night. OPK showed a light-medium test line, so no surge yet. Last month it did the same thing and I got a definite surge on cd13, same day as EWCM. Have been having some mild pains on the left ovary. I think I will ovulate from that side this month. I have a small cyst on that ovary, so I always feel when I O from that side. Perhaps that will be my lucky ovary!

Name: d | Date: January 20, 2006, 10:35

Answer: Hey Tracy, this is sooo driving me nuts. the witch still has not showed and nothing hurts. I had slight cramps this am and i though for sure that when i got out of bed it would show. ran to the bathroom and nothing. I keep saying it is coming I know it. I wil take it. as long as it is a no show i can think positive thoughts i guess.

Name: jcr | Date: January 20, 2006, 11:00

Answer: Hey, I am having a rough day! I'm sitting here crying and feeling quite hopeless. Everyone says well you have one...! I am soooo sick of hearing that even from dh. I am afraid that I am starting to lose hope of ever getting bfp-sorry to start everyones day off sad. I just feel like I am starting to lose it!! help! Bellyrubs

Name: Lori | Date: January 20, 2006, 11:33

Answer: ((( JCR ))) - That is exactly how I am feeling today!! Hopeless & helpless!! I think that it is just that we are getting close to that part in our cycle where we feel that it is "do or die" and no matter what we DO we are aftraid of that bfn at the end of it all. At the end of the day if all we can do is say we gave it our best shot, then we DID our part. I have to admit I "used" to be one of those people that felt that anybody who already had one baby shouldn't be complaining, but now I understand that the desire is the same in ALL of us and there is NO difference. I think that your dh was probably just trying to comfort you in his own way , you know, like "your cloud does have a silver lining" type of a comment. I think that if we already had one my husband would be reacting the same way .... men just don't get it sometimes... but they love us and really do think that they are helping. On the up side of it all - think of it this way - you KNOW you can get pregnant and your daughter is proof of that. If it were between the two of us, I would place my money on you to get that bfp!! I hope all that I have said makes sense to you and that you know that I have said it with the best of intentions. BIG HUGS!!!

Name: d | Date: January 20, 2006, 11:37

Answer: Ladies, sorry to hear everyones day isen't starting off so well...I am sure dh means well. maybe the bfn's are bothering him every month and this is how he is taking it. my dh tries to talk positive. but last night he too said to me ' you have been late before" i said yes you are right i said but do you have to be sooo negative. Yes it could just be late. But the bb's still don't hurt. it is throwing me off. they throb before and up until i get af. But i do understand why dh said that and it was just to help me not to get my hopes so high up. On other notes. How is the weather by everyone else? it is a very warm january here and it doesn't even feel like winter. I can only imagine what summer is going to be like here. baby dust and happy thoughts to all.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 20, 2006, 12:23

Answer: Oh, JCR, I have been feeling the same way even being on the clomid--HOPELESS and HELPLESS. I have been trying to find some light and something to make me feel like my life has purpose without a child, but nothing can fulfill me and everything I do is meaningless without a family. My mom says to pray, but I have been praying and wishing on stars for so long now. This whole process is so hard and just down-right sucks. And there's never any little indication that you are the next one in line to receive a BFP. It's just wait and see, over and over again. I just want my BFP so bad so I can snap out of this depression. I need something to be happy about. I love my husband, and he makes me so happy, but something is missing, and it is obviously the child we both want so badly. Hang in there girl, it's OK to be sad and have crappy days. Cry until you can't cry anymore. I find it at least makes me sleep better. D-waiting is a bitch, that's all there is to it. Try not to focus on it, go out and do stuff to get your mind off it and pass some time. I did not do that last cycle and was talking myself into all kinds of stuff when AF was late. Just a thought......

Name: Tracy | Date: January 20, 2006, 12:35

Answer: Lori--it's crazy the you used the same two words to describe our feelings right now. I had been typing my post forever, and everytime I thought I was done, my broken dryer would start buzzing again. I finally posted and we said exactly the same thing! You know what is new to me is that, every guy I have ever been with has not wanted a child, but now I am faced with this rare bird who wants one just as much as I do. I find it hard when he says things about the baby we don't have because that is when the failure-feelings pop out. Sometimes I wish he didn't know I was TTC so he just wouldn't say anything and I wouldn't feel the weight of two people's emotions on my shoulders. They do try to make us feel better, but more often than not, it doesn't help at all. Like when I was due for AF last cycle, he would ask me all day, every day, if I was bleeding yet. I finally just said, look I'll let you know if and when I do. The pressure was on for it to stay inside of my body!

Name: jcr | Date: January 20, 2006, 13:00

Answer: Sorry Lori and Tracy you feel the same way! I find I have a whole different level to ttc #2. Before it was heartbreaking and sad. This tiime around I feel really angry. My body did do it 2 x's before. I am angry about m/c and really angry at my body for letting me down. I think that is why my diet has gone out the window. I think I am subconsciously trying to punish my body??? I had another friend call me over the weekend, she is pg-38 and wondering if she should keep the baby because she feels like she is too old. It is her and her dh's 1st. She wasn't even trying. Then there is my damn body...! I have a hard time even having sex anymore, I think my body is flawed because of all this ttc unsucessfully. Sorry, I just have never been able to tell anyone this before. I tried to tell dh, but he doesn't get it. Sorry ladies, I don't mean to be so down. Big hugs1

Name: d | Date: January 20, 2006, 13:35

Answer: Hey ladies. I know what you mean by everyone saying to pray. But how much can you actually. I believe and I pray. But i have been and go figure my sister-in-law and her husband are Ministers.. and i still can't get a answer....LOL. just thought you all might smile on that. It is true though. But don't worry my sister in law and I talk about it all time. She has been waiting patiently for years to be an aunt. and she does try to help with positive thoughts for everyone. .. Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts to all.

Name: d | Date: January 20, 2006, 13:37

Answer: Can I tell you what i hate. Whenever i get a box of chocolates. I always seem to pick the one that doesn't tell you what they are. nothing like picking a marmalade one on my first pick. YUCK>

Name: Lori | Date: January 20, 2006, 14:14

Answer: d - we'll just call you Forrest from now on....... Forrest Gump that is, LOL. Thanks for reminding us to laugh!!

Name: CC | Date: January 20, 2006, 14:23

Answer: Lori, Tracy, and jcr..I feel EXACTLY how all three of you do and can relate to you each in different ways. It is pretty ironic that you al posted this stuff today..I think thats where I was headed in my post yesterday and now the doom and gloom is really with me today. Lori, I think you are right, its that point in our cycles where we feel the most pressured to make it happen. I know taking some time off w/o the drugs etc is nice, but really, I feel really helpless without it all. I know I should keep thinking that its just another month that we wont be pregnant, but it hurts and is really hard. jcr, I too am angry and really frustrated. I dont understand any of this anymore, and I am so sick of it being a problem for me. jcr, I get the whole sex thing to. I feel like the only time I want it is when we are trying, and all the fun has left the building quite some time ago. Its hard to bring it back and not concentrate on baby making. Really, I have tried and have not had so much success. d, thanks for bringing some positive energy to the thread. Right now, I think we all could use a pick me up. Hang in there guys. I know it sucks, but what other choice do we have ?

Name: d | Date: January 20, 2006, 14:28

Answer: Forrest Gump. I didn't even think of that when i posted. LMAO..

Name: Tracy | Date: January 20, 2006, 14:39

Answer: Gloom is what we feel, but we are ENTITLED!!!! That's why I just say cry. Why avoid the feelings if they are real. There is no pretending that it does not affect us.And yes, it is the time when feel it's do or die. I'm just as sick of the roller coaster as all of you. I know I'm crazy, but I just watched an hour of, "A Baby Story" on TLC. I like to watch it because it makes me cry and I get my feelings out. I probably only see the show once a week when I 'm not at work, so don't worry, I don't have a daily pitty party for myself. You know what guys, we are gonna make through all this one way or another, so instead of praying for a baby, let's just pray for patience.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 20, 2006, 14:40

Answer: Lynn--how the heck are ya?

Name: Tracy | Date: January 20, 2006, 14:42

Answer: By the way, I just read my previous post and I left some words out. Sorry, I seem unedumacated!!!

Name: d | Date: January 20, 2006, 15:09

Answer: Ladies I got a dumb question. Even if I ovulated late af should have been here right? meaning my luteal phase also shifted this month. I got +++opks new yearsrs. and then +++again on about the jan 10th-12th.. I just don't get it anymore. No matter how much reading i do. I can never find a answer to that. Sorry if it was a dumb ? but i am lost on that answer. The only thing I can think of is maybe i did ovulate late and it is implanting now. that is why i was having cramps. and the bb's still don't hurt. trying to stay busy here. cleaning the house. Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts to all.-----

Name: Lori | Date: January 20, 2006, 15:32

Answer: d - I am a little confused, you got a + opk on the 1st and then again around the 10th - 12th of January? What day did your cycle start on?

Name: d | Date: January 20, 2006, 15:43

Answer: 20th of Dec. it started. I got +++ New Years on opk. and then again on the second dates. Thinking that maybe I just didn't ovulate on New Years. confusing I know. my cycles are only 28 days. Have been for 17 years. i can't remember the few years before that I think they were 30.

Name: Lori | Date: January 20, 2006, 16:06

Answer: d - Hmm, I re-read your post from this morning, and the only thing I can say is wait a few days to test again if af does not show up. Sorry, that I can't be of more help.

Name: CC | Date: January 20, 2006, 16:45

Answer: Lori-I am sorry, I was just sitting here working away and I realized I never told you in my post..Good luck whatever you decide to do this month, natural or otherwise. Its a hard decision and only you and dh know whats right. But-was just thinking of you...

Name: CC | Date: January 20, 2006, 16:54

Answer: d, I dont know the answer to your question either, but it looks from your other posts like you are on cd 30 right ? I would test Sunday and see what you get..

Name: d | Date: January 20, 2006, 17:20

Answer: Hey CC. Today is day 31. just barely. Yep I am going to just wait and see what happens. Thanks

Name: Lori | Date: January 20, 2006, 17:49

Answer: Thanks for your thoughts CC. DH and I have decided to do things the "old-fashioned" way. We both just need a break from the clinical aspect of it all. I'll still go in tomorrow for the u/s and the shot, but then we are on our own. I am nervous but not disappointed, if that makes sense. JCR - haven't heard from you in a while. Are you doing any better? We're here with you. The same goes for you Tracy. Hugs.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 20, 2006, 17:58

Answer: Did clomid make anyone else gain weight????? I gained five pounds last month (December) and now about three more. I haven't been eating any differently than the months before. I know 8-10 pounds doesn't sound like a lot, but for me, it makes or breaks me since it all goes to ONE place--my tooshie. I'm feeling a little better today as far as depression goes. Stll kind-of melancholy, but have a sense of clarity again. I wish I would just get my ass into yoga or something.

Name: CC | Date: January 20, 2006, 18:03

Answer: Lori, good for you. As everyone told me, a break might be what you need and do the trick. Tracy, I gained weight w/ the Clomid. I dont know if it was actual weight gain or just feeling puffy and bloated, but thats how I felt and the scale registered more then normal. I also just felt like the Michilian Man, all big and round EVERYWHERE!

Name: Lori | Date: January 20, 2006, 18:13

Answer: Oh, CC - I almost forgot to ask you about this since you know about insurance. This might seem far fetched (but I am grasping at straws anyway), do you know if a person can have an addendum added to the insurance they have with their employer with regard to fertility treatments, if the individual is willing to pay the difference? Or am I just being silly? Tracy - can you tell me what you do know about taking robitussin - is it too late to start taking it on cycle day 12? Clomid's affect on cm has me a little nervous. Thanks!

Name: Tracy | Date: January 20, 2006, 18:20

Answer: CC--good to know, because I've always been very lucky in the weight department, but right now I can't fit in any of my pants. My husband has even been picking on me. In december when my sister in law was here, she said, "You can have my capri pants that I keep here so you don't have to wear your pants so tight." I have to say for the record that I love my sister in law, and I know she meant nothing by that but wow, that was during my first month on the clomid with only five added pounds.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 20, 2006, 18:26

Answer: Lori- about Robitussin. My doctor initially told me to take it while on the clomid so last month I took it about once or twice a day on days 5-9. This month however, I started on day 5 and will continue taking it till about day 15. I have read that some doctors tell you to take it AFTER you have finished your clomid until ovulation so I am doing both. I don't think there is any such thing as too slippery do you????(LOL) Since I also coincidentally had the otc drug Mucinex I have taken that with me to work since it is a pill and fits in my purse. I actually like it better and have read others whose doc's told them mucinex was fine since it is also just guaifenisen.

Name: Lynn | Date: January 20, 2006, 19:21

Answer: Hey ladies....I am fine, thanks for asking. Gosh,,,y'all have so much conversation during the day. Kind of sucks I have to work all day and do not have the chance to get around a computer to add my 2 cents. I can relate to most of your posts myself. I used to watch the Baby Story on TLC but discontinued that after ectopic pregnancy. I dont mind the dry but it gets to be too much for me. I have to tell you....dh said to me today, "Does that website help us get pregnant?" I told him no it is a way to vent to girls who have some of the same feelings. He said, "Hmmmm, how do their dh feel about them being on it so much?" I laughed and asked him how he feels since I am not making him feel the pressure to perform? He laughed and said I dont know but lets go see if we can make this baby. What a silly person. I am hoping on of these days I get it right. I too am so angry about the m/c and ectopic. I do pray about it but also wonder why it has to be so difficult for so many people. I hate when girls walk around and say....went off pill and one month later...here we are. UGH!!!! I have a friend who did that. her son is almost 2 and here we are still trying to #1. My position right now is...we can only do so much and I have to trust eventually it may happen and if not, I will need to cope with the situation. (am I kidding myself?). I'll check back later.

Name: Lori | Date: January 20, 2006, 19:46

Answer: Thanks for the info Tracy. I'll take it tonight and for the next few days - it's late in the game but what other choice do I have. Lynn - glad to see you were able to join us today. We miss you during the day! Glad to see that your dh is a least up to the task, lol. When it comes to those shows like baby story and such, I don't watch them. I ball over some sit-coms that have babies in them for crying out loud!!

Name: CC | Date: January 20, 2006, 20:10

Answer: Lori, I am not positive about your ins question but I dont think you can do that. Call your ins directly to ask, but I dont think so. As for the Robitussin, my OB told me to start taking it after finishing the Clomid up until O. I took it all 3 months but to be honest, I never really noticed much of a difference. Tracy, do you notice it helps you ? Your post made me laugh about your s-i-l and her capri's. Im sure she was being nice but I would have wanted to knock her over the head! I stopped watching the Baby Story awhile back. They also have a show on afterwards called Bringing Home Baby, same concept only it focuses on the 1st few days after they get home from the hospital. Working from home, I have the tv on a lot for background, and used to eat lunch and actually watch it. No more. I cry, and thats not the point of the show! Lynn, that was a sweet comment your dh made. You have a great attitude right now and I have to remember to think more like you do when I am feeling like I am. Its really such a crazy cycle of feelings each month. Talk to you all later or tomorrow..

Name: d | Date: January 20, 2006, 20:25

Answer: CC i watch those too. Somehow whenever I am looking for something to watch that is what is on. And no matter what I cry. Happy Thoughts and Baby Dust to all. Still no af here.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 20, 2006, 21:20

Answer: Yeah D--No AF!!!!! Super duper man!!!! No I don't think the robitussin makes a difference, but I am too afraid to find out I am drier than the desert and killing anything that tries to cross through! At least this way I am comfortable knowing I am doing my best for the little swimmers. Lynn- my dh doesn't care if I'm on the computer for hours because he is a programmer (geek) and sits here for days writing code. He likes the company in the room.

Name: Lynn | Date: January 20, 2006, 23:09

Answer: Well girls...my eyes are getting heavy and can hardly keep them awake. Dh does not care if I am on the computer (he is on his almost every free moment) he just wanted to know why I talk so much. I told him he seemed tired of listening to my complaining so I needed to find some friends with the same situation to complain to and listen to. Every couple we know is either pregnant or just had a baby within the last 2 years. UGH!!!!!! I am around it daily. Since being a teacher...there are so many girls at work pregnant or just finding out. Each time one finds out, the comment is..."So Lynn where are you in all this?" I could scream!!!!! Even if I get prego...We are not telling anyone (I will tell you folks) until we are safe and know this is going to go to term. Not one person except my mom know about ectopic until I was rushed in for emergency surgery. Okay..no mor complaining...going to keep my chin up and help you girls keep yours up. Talk to you all tomorrow..g'nite

Name: Lori | Date: January 21, 2006, 10:16

Answer: Good morning everybody!! Well, I had the u/s and shot today. I was WAY off on my prediction of follicles I only have one on the left and one on the right. They are my biggest ever though, L - 21.6, and R - 21.3 So, we are off to a decent start I guess. Dr. says bd for the next 3 days, "if we can stand each other for that much". LOL!! All I can say is that we will do our best. Still nervously excited!! How is everybody else holding up????

Name: Tracy | Date: January 21, 2006, 10:21

Answer: Last night just pla in sucked. It was 10:00 and Dh said he was hungry and wanted to go out to get something to eat. Well, I had already eaten and just laid down, so I said I didn't want to go. He then proceeds to tell me again how I am always glued to the couch and never want to go anywhere. Let's just say I finally fell apart. I don't know why, but when he doesn't get his way, he always throws that S#*T into our conversation. I do know why....he's spoiled. So he went upstairs and I just curled up and cried.He later came to say he was sorry and I was so mad I just told him to go away, and I stayed there crying. He didn't realize that he had just opened pandora's box. I then wrote him an email about all my feelings and he has been so sweet and understanding. I spent the rest of the night feeling like my heart was broken though, feeling like a failure, and feeling like a terrible wife. I had a HUGE pitty party for myself. Lynn- DH also needs to understand that women are just talkers, plain and simple. We love to share our thought and feelings whereas men just tend to resolve things on their own. Or they don't but act as though they are ok! I know how you feel about people having babies all around you. It always appears we are the only ones having issues. I have a situation. My husband's brother's wife just went off the pill, and they are now TTC. I dread the day she calls me or I find out she is pregnant before me. I don't have an issue with her, but now I feel even more pressure to conceive since I am on fertility meds and there is nothing wrong with me or DH. She would revel in getting PG first and that is what bothers me too. Am I mean spirited for not wanting her to get PG at this time?????

Name: d | Date: January 21, 2006, 10:22

Answer: Morning all. Lori, I think that was a better start than you expected. Have fun with dh the next 3 days. As for me. The witch still isen't hurt. which is wonderful. I know that if i get it late will be in 10x more pain than normal. But this looks good. still no signs of the witch showing which is great too... Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts to all.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 21, 2006, 10:42

Answer: Lori-- although your predictions were off, those follicles of yours are exciting! I am so glad for you! Make sure you prop your tooshie up on a pillow after dancing and stay there for like 30 minutes, or stand on your head! (I'm kidding, I couldn't stand on my head). Baby dust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Name: Lynn | Date: January 21, 2006, 14:56

Answer: Lori...that size is wonderful. I have never had any that big. My biggest on when I did injections was 19. Yes....I did get a BFP. Have fun!!!!!!! Nothing nwe here...just chilling.

Name: Lori | Date: January 21, 2006, 16:18

Answer: It's quiet today. I slept for a few hours after I got home for the Drs. It's one of those somber winter days. Did anybody happen to catch the Bernie Mac show last night? Bernie and Wanda were ttc and had problems, went to see a specialist, had to do injections - she was having a hormonal episode over mayonaise (hubby started laughing and pointed at me and said "that's you!!") Well anyway, the injections weren't working so they were told that they should do IVF, well it ended up they had to wait a cycle before doing IVF and they bd during that cycle - (I said to hubby, watch her end up pregnant, it only happens on tv) - well she ended up pregnant, but then come to find out it was a chemical pregnancy. I actually felt so bad because it kind of ticked me off that I thought she was pregnant (you know, like the show was going to make it so easy.... if you don't try so hard then it will happen, type of thing ). But then when it happened to be a chemical pregnancy, I felt REALLY bad, that I thought that way to begin with. But the whole show kind of hit home to what we are all going through. Just thought I would share.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 21, 2006, 19:43

Answer: Oh people, how are ya? I am emotionally doing much better today. Lori- I also took a nap today ansd it wasn't even a dreary winter day here. It was hot although not unbearable. This time of year when it is hot, you can easily stand going outside. Our cold days usually only last about two days, then it warms up again, then it gets cold....more often than not, just cool. Anyhoo, just wanted to say hello!!

Name: Tracy | Date: January 21, 2006, 20:02

Answer: Lori-- Just found this. I was looking for info for myself when I came across it and just thought you'd like to see it: " The American Journal of Epidemiology reports nicotine is ten times more concentrated in the uterine fluid than it is in plasma. Nicotine ages the ovaries and makes the eggs resistant to fertilization." Well I feel pretty stupid now considering I have yet to quit smoking. I haven't been doing so great on my quitting regimen, how about you?

Name: Lori | Date: January 21, 2006, 20:15

Answer: Tracy - Thanks for the info. I feel like crap now. It's my own fault!! I will try harder than ever now to quit!! Although I am not making excuses, my mom smoked(s) and had 7 kids. I have my good days and my bad days when it comes to cutting down. Where do you live that you have such nice weather?

Name: Lynn | Date: January 21, 2006, 20:18

Answer: Tracy...dont beat yourself up over the smoking. I see and know plenty of people who smoke more than you girls and go on to have children and yes even smoke while pregnant. It was a gloomy day here in NC. Cloudy with sprinkles. So, like you girls...I napped and did a little BDing with dh and nothing much else. I'll check back later. Chin up girls.....

Name: Tracy | Date: January 21, 2006, 22:15

Answer: Lori- I live in Jupiter, Florida--just north of Palm Beach. I was wondering if you guys think I should take next month off from taking the clomid? I have been soooo emotional and messed up, I don't know if I can do it again next month. Plus, I really want to quit smoking, and to use the gum or patch, but don't want to do the clomid along with that stuff. What do you think?

Name: Tracy | Date: January 21, 2006, 22:54

Answer: By the way, what happened to Elyse and Emm? Hope all is well....

Name: Lynn | Date: January 21, 2006, 23:49

Answer: Tracy...my vote is take a month off if you really want to quit smoking and such. Clomid messed me up bad. Also, after they figured out I had PCOS...a comment was made I would no get pregnant using that since a side effect is drying up CM and those of us who have PCOS...do not make enough as it is. A month off might do you some good...concentrate on not smoking...walk more to get dh off your back a little. I will support you in whatever your course is and I am sure these girls will also. Good luck and let us know what you do

Name: Lynn | Date: January 22, 2006, 10:00

Answer: Good Morning....just stopping in to get us back on top and to see how everyone is holding up so far. Finished the femara (I am glad.....headaches were getting to me) last night so now we BD and wait until Thursday to see if we have any follies. A girl I work with this past Friday and she only had tiny-tiny follies. They said she would not ovulate so they gave her something to induce a persiod to begin again. Hmm, Hope that is not my case. I'll check back later...need to go grocery shopping but putting it off.

Name: d | Date: January 22, 2006, 10:17

Answer: Good Morning All. Just letting you know the witch still has not shown up. :o) hopefully it will stay that way. I hope everyone is well. Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts to all.

Name: CC | Date: January 22, 2006, 13:23

Answer: Good morning! Sorry I was MIA yesterday, I needed a mental break from ttc things and tried to stay busy and not think about it. Lori-that is excellent news!! Hope you are enjoying bd'ing and getting the job done. I was so happy to read that! Tracy, you poor thing with your hormones and the meds. Maybe you can talk to your Dr and let him know the Clomid makes you so up and down and you can try Femara or something ? I feel for you, and hope that by today or tomorrow, you begin to feel like yourself again. I agree w/ Lynn, if you really want to stop smoking, take the month off next month if you arent pregnant this month. With your mood swings on Clomid, that might do you some good as well. I think the Clomid and trying to quit all in one month might make anyones head spin like Linda Blair. d, I hope you test again soon so we can get a BFP on this thread! Lynn, glad your med free right now. I hope you have tons of great follicles. jcr, where are you ? Hope things are well with you and that you are busy bd'ing. As for me, I O'd today on cd 13. I dont think I have ever O'd this early in my life since I have been tracking. I feel sort of stupid, all the cm I have had for days should have been a tip off, but I never thought it would happen so early. DH and I really only bd'd 1 time during the time it would "count" and will bd today and tomorrow, but I am already ok with the fact that this will not be my month. I figured we had at least 3 more days and was going to get busy. I am not going to dwell on it, I must be happy for the little things like O'ing on my own. Frustrated yes, but I will deal. Check in later!

Name: Tracy | Date: January 22, 2006, 14:20

Answer: Yeah D--no AF yet! Come on BFP!!!!!!!! Wow, have I been a wet blanket or what???? I feel much better today, feeling much more emotionally stable. I guess fear and anger can really be powerful when your hormones are off kilter. JCR- I talked to my mom about acupuncture, so I am going to look for someone in my area. What is a reasonable price to pay per session and how often should I go? My birthday is coming up, so I thought I could ask my mom for money or to pay for some sessions for me. I thought the acupuncture might help me stop smoking as well. Well, it is cd12 for me, time to start dancing like a maniac. I started noticing lotiony CM day before yesterday, so I am expecting EWCM probably tomorrow or Tuesday. I intend to do the dirty deed every day for the next four days. I have been doing the every other day thing, and so far it hasn't worked for me, so I figured I'd try something new. Tuesday is my post-coital test. Lynn- thanks for the support. You are very sweet! I'll check back in later....

Name: Tracy | Date: January 22, 2006, 14:25

Answer: CC-don't you dare count yourself out for the month! I know timing is everything, but you still could have succeeded, remember, all it takes is one.Just make sure to dance today and tomorrow and you should be fine. Last month I swore it didn't work for me because I had EWCM on cd13 and did not dance that day. I could be wrong, but that is why I am not taking any chances this month.

Name: d | Date: January 22, 2006, 15:37

Answer: Hi ladies, yep. the witch has not crawled out from under the house as of yet and still no signs. bb's are starting to feel tender. but the last af i had was dec 17. I am never like this. at least the last time i was late i knew it was coming. I keep saying i am going to get it but everytime i run and check nothing.. i hope that is a good sign. Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts.

Name: d | Date: January 22, 2006, 15:40

Answer: Hey how many of us are smokers in here? I am, Tracy. i cut back a lot. i can't smoke now. dh won't let me in case i am pg. but i am not really craving it. But on the upper note. Everyone is different yes but sorry to dim our parade here. my cousin just gave birth on fri- to a 9lb 3 ou. boy. she is a very heavy smoker. can you believe how big he was. I hope I am next in my family. I am one of 13 grandchildren and I am the baby of the girls. If i don't get pg soon one of my great cousins is going to get it done before me or my niece. (WOW i sure hope not)

Name: Lori | Date: January 22, 2006, 18:58

Answer: Hi everybody!! First of all, JCR and EMM - Where are the two of you? We miss you!! I hope everything is ok!! Tracy - glad to see that you are in better spirits!! If this cycle doesn't work, I was planning on taking a break too. I need to feel like my old self for a while. This cycle the meds have kicked my butt. So, if you want another person to join you in an off cycle, I am there!! CC - I can totally understand wanting to "count yourself out" because you think you missed the O mark. But, like Tracy said it only takes one. So, we are pulling for you!!! Lynn - I am glad that you are done with femara, side effects suck!! Now it is on to bding and trying to get the job done, Yeah!!! d - Keep that witch away and give us a BFP!!! Take care everybody and hang in there!! Baby dust to all for this cycle ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Name: Tracy | Date: January 22, 2006, 19:28

Answer: D- so how late does this make you? And remind me again how long your cycles usually are. Were you on any meds this month or TTC au naturale? And when was the last time you tested? I'm going nutso since I know AF is late but don't know how late for you. Oh girl, we all have our fingers crossed for you, but unfortunately it's not the time of month when we can cross our legs too. (HaHa). Well DH had to take a flight up to Virginia really early this morning (work related) and is on a flight back right now. He is expected home around eleven or twelve, so we will be doing the baby dance kind-of late. That is ok though, he said he won't be too tired. Hey, as long as he makes a deposit, I'm good!

Name: d | Date: January 22, 2006, 19:39

Answer: Hey Lori and Tracy. Thank you for your good wishes. Tracy i have 28 day cycles. The witch was due on the 17th. no meds. all natural. SOrry if this is TMI but i notice more discharge today. lotiony/milky white. just about like everytime i feel crampy. any thoughts? still feel somewhat crampy comes and goes. ..Lol. none of us can keep our legs crossed. we are all on so many different days. Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts. And thank you thank you for all your good wishes. i hope.. i just keep saying to myself the witch is going to show.

Name: d | Date: January 22, 2006, 19:40

Answer: oh last witch visit was Dec 20

Name: Tracy | Date: January 22, 2006, 19:41

Answer: D- It's funny because I said in a previous post to the girls that I just wish I could find out I'm PG so I would just stop smoking all together. I know that I would not continue if I had something to care about. That sounds pretty pathetic, like I don't care about myself, but knowing I would be affecting someone else really makes a difference. JCR--I am kind-of worried about you. Your last posts show that you were very down, so I understand if you needed some time to find peace, but I'm worried nonetheless. Let us know how you are please.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 22, 2006, 19:45

Answer: D- I just counted and you are technically on cd34 right? Which makes you 6 days late?? When was the last time you tested?????????

Name: d | Date: January 22, 2006, 19:47

Answer: on Thurs. bfn. you are right on the cd... i am the same way with the smoking.. lol. i keep giving myself an excuse. i'm not pg i can smoke. it is best to quit. but it is driving me nuts. if i o'd the second time on the 10-11th i wonder.

Name: d | Date: January 22, 2006, 20:30

Answer: Ok. i have got to be pregnant. i made dh and i a good dinner... well the chicken sounded good all day. and after the cooking i couldn't eat it. dh said it smelled and tasted fine. to me it was horrible. i spit it right back out. now i can't get the smell out of my nostrils.. ......iiiiiiiiiiiiLLLLLLLL

Name: EMM | Date: January 22, 2006, 21:11

Answer: Hey guys. I am still here. Just had some family in this weekend. DH had analysis on Friday, so we will await the results. We have already started BD with about 3 more days to go before this month is in the history books. I will read the rest of the forum that I missed tomorrow. Have to watch Iron Chef!!

Name: Tracy | Date: January 22, 2006, 21:58

Answer: Wow, you guys actually cook and watch shows about cooking? That is one reason I feel like such a crappy wife sometimes...I don't really cook. I guess I've just never had a real desire. I'll bake all day long, but when it comes to real food, it's not my cup of tea. I would place a bet on you D that you are PG. I just can't see how someone with 28 day cycles could be so late unless they were PG. I also have 28 day cycles and the latest I have ever been was 3 days. And I am like clockwork with AF. That's why this month when I was at cd31 I started getting hopeful, but AF showed on the morning of cd32. It was late due to the clomid. This month I am going to go crazy I'm sure since I did clomid again. It will be the waiting that kills, not signs or symptoms. Emm, glad to see you back.

Name: d | Date: January 22, 2006, 22:27

Answer: Hey Tracy, I say that too. "I'm a crappy wife" dh says "no you are a wonderful wife" i bake too. he always has cookies when he gets home from work. (that is only if we do the bd the night b4...lol.. just kidding). i don't cook 7 days a week but i cook. nothing big but i am big on hungarian and italian cooking cause those 2 of my nationalities... l I can't get the smell of the chicken out of the house...........illlllllllllllll. i am watching now on tlc... pregnant for 46 years... this is weird...... my left bb is throbbing but it is coming and going. I am clockwork to to the day and hour. except for one month a few months back. my cycle tried switching but went back to normal...

Name: CC | Date: January 23, 2006, 0:37

Answer: Just popping in to say goodnight (originally I had typed pooping instead of popping!) d, when do you plan to test again ? By now you should get a BFP and your signs sound good. Tracy and Lori thanks for the pep talk. I will stay positive, but I dont think this is it. We have tried for so long w/o meds and nothing, and even w/ Clomid still nothing. I'll remain hopeful! You are right, you never know. My b/f who is pregnant now w/ her 3rd son only bd'd once the month she got pregnant. I just dont think I would ever be that lucky! Tracy, glad you are going to look into acupuncture. I think when I start seeing the RE I am going to do the same. It cant hurt, and at the very least will make us feel good as jcr has said. jcr, hoping you are busy this weekend of just needing a break. Yesterday I thought of you guys, I just didnt have the mental strength to think about things. EMM-I love the Iron Chef. I love the food network in general. Im not so much of a cook either, but my dh and I like to cook together and do it often, and then its fun. I am his little sous chef. I cut, chop, mix, and clean up. He does the major stuff most of the time and thank God! Anyway-have a good night all, and d, please test, you are killing us!! We want a happy BFP!

Name: d | Date: January 23, 2006, 8:40

Answer: Good Morning Ladies. The witch has stayed away yet another day.. If it stays away i am going to call the dr tomorrow. . But i am sure they are not going to see me for a bit. i just want blood work. I am going to test tomorrow morning. I Think it is still going to be a bfn. i think i am one of those that it won't show until a while after the witch hasn't showed. Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts.

Name: d | Date: January 23, 2006, 8:42

Answer: SOrry neglected to mention. For 20 years af has not neglected to show up. It has always shown its face even on my wedding day. But I am getting scared because i got the witch at such a young age that it might be affecting me already at 27.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 23, 2006, 9:18

Answer: D- I'm no doctor, but I don't think the fact that you got AF at an early age should affect you at age 27. My sister got it at an early age and she just had a child at age 36. She is only now, at 39, experiencing more painful periods, etc... I got AF later, so you would think I'd be able to get PG easier. I think I was about fourteen going on fifteen when I got it for the first time. I'm stressed out today, because yesterday I opened my student loan bill and I owe like 350.00 right now and I don't have it. While I was teaching I was able to pay it, but since quitting in October I have not been able to afford to. I don't make that much money right now and what I do make goes toward our food. I can't ask DH for the money to pay it because he pays for literally everything else. The purpose in me leaving teaching was less stress=less sicknesses, yet now I can't afford to pay my one and only bill. That's the one thing I knew I would miss from teaching: the paycheck! Aaaahhhh, what do I do? I thought of using money for my birthday to pay it, but the interest on the loan is such that, you pay the bill and the balance never changes. I am currently getting screwed and don't want to pay it because they are just going to keep screwing me harder!

Name: Lori | Date: January 23, 2006, 9:26

Answer: Good morning everybody!! CC - it looks like we are kind of in the same boat. DH and I only were able to bd once. I blame football. I think he was more interested in that than baby making and didn't even come to bed until after 11pm!! I didn't handle it very well, got into a little argument over it. For some stupid reason he thinks I am into this "sex thing". I don't like having to "perform" any more than he does. Personally, I could have done without it but, we had a job to do and he procrastenated (sp)!! It ticks me off that I continually have to remind him during O time what has to be done. It makes me feel like I am begging, when that is not the case at all!!! Between the clinical aspects of the IUIs and this happening, I really don't feel much like a woman!! I just wish I would get pregnant already, so that we can take the "motive" out of it all. I mean I just don't understand him anymore. Here I am going through all the hormonal crap with the meds and having pregnancy symptoms and not even being pregnant, and all he has to do is one thing 2 - 3 times during the month, ARRGH!! If I have to hear one more time that "it" has a mind of its own... I think my arm is going to get a mind of its own and take my hand up side his head!!! Are men really that detached???? Sorry for the ranting and raving and the TMI, but I just had to get it off my chest.

Name: d | Date: January 23, 2006, 9:56

Answer: Tracy, Sorry to hear about the student loan shit. They will always get you some where. I thought you had so long to pay it back? is your time up? Lori. What else can i say but the word. "MEN". I think every one of them says it has a mind of its own. I don't know what else to say. I know if i am not pg the next time i won't tell dh i am o'ing. I think we do put a lot of pressure on them. BUt soon enough every one of our dh's might start seeing it from our point of view. Then i think well maybe they do look at it except in their view. US ladies well me anyway. IF you feel that way just say it out loud here. I feel like less of a woman every month that goes by. I think our dh's are starting to feel less like men every month that goes by... Did this make any sense? I am still not awake. I only wish i could be of more help. But i am hear to listen. HAPPY THOUGHTS & BABY DUST!!!!!!!!

Name: d | Date: January 23, 2006, 9:57

Answer: oh i hope i didn't offend anyone with the s___t word. sorry if i did.

Name: jcr | Date: January 23, 2006, 10:50

Answer: Hi ladies, sorry to have worried you. I tried to take a break for a few days. I think I may have a few extra hormones raging through me, my eyes are red and swollen. My father had knee replacement surgery and is suffering from post-surgical psychosis-which is pretty ugly. He has been restrained in bed several times, and it is really hard on my mom. He probably won't remember much of it, but it is tough being so far away and not being able to help. My parents are getting older and it is really hard to see them going down hill, especially my Dad, he seems to forget alot and get confused everyonce in a while. I really want to hop on a plane, but of course who knows when I may o. The Dr did an ultrasound thursday and said not much was going on and to come back in a week to see if I was closer to o'ing. Seems like every other day I get an opk test that is almost the same color, I am starting to get ewcm. It is really frusterating to just not know. Tracy I am sorry about the student loan. I think you can phone and tell them your predicament and they will let you skip a payment or two or at least let you pay less this month-some is better than nothing. Also talk with dh about it, he may have a solution. I know I always have a hard time talking to dh about $$ or spending money on my parents when needed because I am not working at all. But it really clears the air when I talk to him and I feel better about it. Lori, sorry about dh. I think they do not talk about it the same way we do, but I think they feel like they are to blame when ttc doesn't seem to be working. Men are fixer's and this is one thing they can't fix and when we get bfn's there is nothing they can "fix."' They just have to watch us cry and I think they feel helpless, so maybe he is having one of "those months!" I know about football, sometimes I wish I was made of pigskin so dh would notice me sunday afternoons!! D---pretty sure you are pg. Both of my bfp's showed up after the symptoms. The #1 symptom being raw meat!!! I couldn't see or smell it raw or that was it, cereal for supper. So hang in there! Anyway I am back and thanks for the words or support and thoughts. I am hoping D starts the bfp's rolling and we all follow her lead. big hugs and bellyrubs.

Name: d | Date: January 23, 2006, 11:01

Answer: Jcr. I know how you feel about your father. My dad is 54 yrs old and is in end stage renal failure is on dialysis 4x a week, has parkinsons, only half of his heart works the other half if a pacemaker and something else. i forgot what. he also gets operating on every week. he always seems to get anorisms where is graph is for dialysis. enough on my dad. I can be hear to listen as said i know. A few yrs ago my dad was living in fl. (this was before he got really sick). he had 2 heart attacks. I got the call and then started driving to florida. by the time i got there my father signed himself out of the hospital and wouldn't go back. and after that he started getting sicker and i made him move back to jersey. I knowwhat it is like with the father deal he was far away and came back and now he says he is going back to florida. i don't want him too but i can't stop him. --------------------Ladies i couldn't agree more on the football thing. no football next week and then the week after is the superbowl. FINALLY IT WILL BE OVER. but then it is baseball season.. did i mention i am going nuts here.

Name: d | Date: January 23, 2006, 11:06

Answer: ladies those of you that chart your bbt. what is is prior to o, at o' and post o? Just curious cause if i am not pg. i think i might start temping.

Name: d | Date: January 23, 2006, 13:41

Answer: hey ladies, last night with the chicken. yuck. makes me gag just thinking about it. well the meat was good of course. dh was fine after he ate it. It has got to be me. I swear after i cooked it it smelt raw, bad and ill.

Name: CC | Date: January 23, 2006, 14:54

Answer: jcr, glad to see you are back but sorry to hear about your Dad. It really is hard, and I am far away from my parents as well and I know feeling helpless is due to the distance. I will keep him in my thoughts and prayers. Funny how the roles reverse as we get older, and begin to play the parent role to our own parents. d, I got my AF when I was really young, a month after turning 11. I dont think it makes a difference when AF started, except for maybe down the road with menopause. You are years from that. Tracy, I think you need to talk to dh about the loan. Its is technically his debt now too since you are married, and he needs to understand the money situation. I agree w/ jcr, you will feel better about if you talk to him. Lori, once again I could have written your whole post and signed my name on it-however, I do love football, its my favorite sport and I am usually right on the couch w/ dh watching and yelling! Yesterday when I told dh we "had" to bed, he just gave me this face and I did want to slap him. I told him he should want to be intimate with his wife, and him making faces makes it seem like more of a chore then it really is. Sometimes, they really can be selfish bastards! We did bd yesterday, but we are done for awhile. We seem to have no problem any other time of the month but he seems to know when its the important time and then makes me tell him we have to..Anyway-!!

Name: d | Date: January 23, 2006, 15:02

Answer: ladies, i have an appt with my dr for monday. a week from today. going to see what is going on. unless i get a +++hpt by then.

Name: d | Date: January 23, 2006, 15:34

Answer: mine too.. he knows and it doesn't happen when it is that time of the month. i first got af when i just turned 8. horrible horrible. my teacher didn't believe me. she wouldn't let me go see the nurse. it was most embarassing. my mother fell over that day when i told her. she did. LOL. it is funny now the story but then it wasn't. i will never forget my teachers face or my mothers. I wonder if i am pg. The witch just doesn't seem to be showing and i hope it stays that way. although some little cramping again but nothing else. Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts

Name: CC | Date: January 23, 2006, 16:15

Answer: d, I can relate to your first AF story. I was a few days away from starting 6th grade. It was the end of summer, and although I knew what it was when I saw it, I just thought or knew eventually it would go away. This is gross but true-we laugh about it now, but its crazy. I would change my underwear every few hours or whatever (I guess when you 1st start you must not bleed very heavily) and throw my dirty underwear underneath my bed. I did this for however many days it lasted. I never told my Mom. I came home from school one day right after it had started and my Mom was in my room with all these dirty underwear piled on my bed. Needless to say we both cried. Sad but true!

Name: CC | Date: January 23, 2006, 16:19

Answer: d, you will test before next Monday wont you ??!!!

Name: EMM | Date: January 23, 2006, 16:29

Answer: To CC- I too love football. My husband knows more stats and stuff than I do. I spend my time on the internet looking up infertility. He spends his time finding out about stats. We don't watch a lot of NFL, but when it is College Game Day time he knows better than to touch the remote.

Name: Lori | Date: January 23, 2006, 16:36

Answer: JCR - I feel for you with what is going on with your dad. It's terrible seeing someone we love go through something like that. I had (have) a sister who collapsed into a coma from encephalitis and remained there for 3 months. When she came out of the coma she could not speak or move, but I will never forget the look in her eyes, she was still there mentally, but physically she had deteriorated. She passed away in August of '97 at the age of 29. Then 3 months later my dad died in his sleep. That was an awful year!!! But, enough about that. I hope everything works out for you and your family. D - when was the last time you tested? You seem so patient about it. Just about all of us here would be peeing on a stick every hour!!! Speaking of AFs, I got mine at the age of 12 - it was awful (tmi coming up). I would go to bed with a clean pad and wake up with blood from head to toe! I ended up anemic, the cramps were soooo awful that I would throw up from it. Forget midol, that didn't touch it!!! I think that is why when I stopped getting it, I was releaved and didn't bother worrying about it, until I met my DH and started to seriously think about having a family. So, now I am going through a different kind of hell with the witch NOT WANTING to go away. Don't you just love the way she messes with us!!!

Name: d | Date: January 23, 2006, 16:39

Answer: My mother had to tell me about all of it when i was young. i knew what it was too, I had a peach skirt on that day and i just caught it i guess. Your story is funny and yes i can see how you laugh about it now. I broke down today and took a test a few mins ago. maybe i should have waitied for FMU cause it was a bfn again. I am going to retest by monday and see what i get then. hoping i am pg and that i am just like my mother and cousins won't get a bfp before the drs.

Name: d | Date: January 23, 2006, 16:43

Answer: does the rh factor have anything to do with the hcg actually showing up. I know it has to deal with the blood of the embryo and mother not mixing together that the blood of the mother will kill the embryo. at least from what i have read that is what i got from it. My mother is rh negative. i don't think i am. but i wonder the possibilites. aarhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgggggg this is so damn crazy. why is the witch not here. To me there is only one reason why she stayed under the house and we all know it. PG PG PG and the damn pee stick won't say soo. I don't get it. Can't i just be one of the lucky ladies that gets a bfp easy. so sorry ladies. I think I have officially lost my marbles and my patience. Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts to all. LMAO at myself now

Name: CC | Date: January 23, 2006, 18:16

Answer: d, sorry for the BFN, that would really be frustrating and driving me crazy! You cant get into the Dr sooner for a blood test ?? I dont know about the rh factor, I dont know much about that at all. Someone else may know the answer though. Lori, your AF story was so sad and awful, as was the story about your sister and Dad. When people pass away sooner then they should, it seems so unfair. I am sorry : (

Name: Lynn | Date: January 23, 2006, 19:08

Answer: Hey girls...D, I never have a BFP until at least cd 35. Maybe that same case is yours. That is why I try soooo hard not to test before cd 35. Tracy...talking about money issues is part of the whole marriage thing. Did dh encourage you to get a different job? If so, he probably knew he would be taking on more of a financial responsibility. Talk to him.... jcr, sorry to hear about your dad. It is rough. I moved to NC in 1998...in March of 2000, I had mono and missed 5 weeks of work. After finally returning to work, 2 days later I got the dreaded call my father was killed. and missed more work. I can relate to not wanting to be far away and feeling helpless. Lori...I think all of our dh are the same. If I tell mine when I am Oing...it is rough having him "perform" but last month, I decided I would ask for BD at different times so he had no clue when I was or not. Even after the important "O", I still ask for it everyday just to bluff him. It is only cd 10 (tmi..coming) and we have already BD'd 4 times...(2x yesterday) and I know I am not close to EWCM. Change it all up and fool them girls...we can beat them at their our "performance" issues. d, I have begun to temp this month for the first time. I am learning from a girl on another post. I went and bought the BBT to begin adn started taking mine on cd 5. The girl teaching me said with cd 1 but directions said last day of bleeding. You take it before getting out of bed in the AM and you are looking for a rise. Currently my is going down so.......that is all I knwo about temping right now.

Name: d | Date: January 23, 2006, 19:36

Answer: My face feels like it is on fire. i don't know what to make of any of this.. The witch is still under that house and i really think it may have happened finally. I was shocked that the dr can see me monday. I didn't expect earlier than that. baby dust and happy thoughts.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 23, 2006, 20:22

Answer: Hey ladies, wow so much sharing has gone on today. Guys, I am so sorry about all the sadness you have been through. Family is the most important thing in this world and when your family is affected by sickness or death it is devastating. My heart truly goes out to all of you. And double-wow, some of you got AF so early. Being an elementary school teacher though it's not so surprising anymore. We had girls in the fourth and fifth grade who got theirs. I was really a late bloomer. I guess I'm lucky that my DH hates football, and he asks me when he needs to make a "deposit" instead of me having to bug him. He is so awesome about it. OK here is TMI but I have to share it. Last night we baby danced when he got back in town and he got mad afterward because he said all of his swimmers fell out as we were trying to prop me back up onto my pillow! He was like "what a waste of a good load!" Oh my gosh, he takes this more seriously than I do I think. Thanks for your advice about the financial fix I'm in. I asked for more hours at work today, and I'm gonna call the company to see if we can work out a different arrangement. I'll talk to DH after that . I just feel bad asking for any more from him because he does so much for me. It was because of him that I was able to quit teaching. He is in business with his dad, so he asked his dad if he could take home more money just so I could change jobs. He did so without me even asking him to. He saw how sick and miserable I was and how it was affecting our relationship. Well D--I just have to say that I am on the edge of my seat about your PG status. When I read that you are going to the doctor NEXT monday, I freaked and was like What? I can't wait that long!!!!!!!

Name: jcr | Date: January 23, 2006, 21:49

Answer: wow a lot goes on during the day. I went to RE this morning because I had + opk, I had 1 follicle 16.6 and 1 around 10.5. She did bloodwork and said still not time for ovulation. This is so stressful not knowing and not being able to even trust opk's-no wonder I'm not pg yet-I probably keep missing it! I go in on thursday to see what is going on. I am cd14 right now. I just wish I ws a normal ovulator. Thanks for the thoughts on my Dad, he is doing very well tonight and even went home, which suprised even the Dr's. I guess he was just having bad trip's due to the drugs. So I will probably head up to Canada once I finally ovulate. I'll see if the cold air can make this pg thing work finally. I am feeling good about this cycle, I wish I had a few more folli's but all we need is 1 right! D, I swear you are pg, I totally couldn't even think about raw meat without gagging. Which I forgot last month during the 2ww and was making up pg symptoms. That is exciting so many have you have already ovulated! As for temping-this is how mine worked. Before o'ing I was around 97.3 then just before o (?) dipped to 96.5 then after o 97.9 +-then morning of AF dipped down to 96.9 then the hag came. I hope that helps. I have taken a month off that so I don't need to dwell on it daily this time around. Bellyrubs!

Name: Tracy | Date: January 23, 2006, 23:13

Answer: Glad your dad is doing better JCR. He went home already??? Well, I got LH surge today. Not sure if I had it yesterday because I was too lazy to go out and but more OPK's. I didn't think I'd had a surge yesterday anyway since it was only cd12 and no EWCM. Still no EWCM today, but the OPK I bought tonight showed a clear surge. Plus DH and I bd'd last night so I covered my bases. We did it again tonight and tomorrow is my post coital so we will be doing it in the afternoon. It's hard doing the bd when you know you just have to. There is no, "I'm too tired". I am the one who has a hard time, DH is like "When do we start?" I love my husband. He was such a blessing to find. I met him on eharmony.com believe it or not, and we couldn't be more made for one another. Anyway, I don't work tomorrow or Wednesday, so I will be checking in probably a little too frequently. Peace!

Name: jcr | Date: January 23, 2006, 23:29

Answer: Goodluck Tracy! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Swim boys swim!!

Name: d | Date: January 24, 2006, 9:15

Answer: GOOD MORNING. Well the witch is still stuck under the house somewhere. Yipeeee!!!. it was due last tuesday and now it is tues. and no visit since Dec 20. as long as it stays that way. I keep saying I am going to get it so my bodys not tricking itself. If i am pg. This will be our first. and let me give everyone a quick story. My brothers son died at 5 days old it is going to be 11 yrs now. since then he has not had another child. He married a woman with 4 girls. and my step sister has a baby boy.. which i told my mother she was pregnant when we were all on vacay 2 years ago. She didn't believe me. and sure enough a little boy showed up 6 months later... So yes they are Baby boy and the 4 girls and the first grandson my mothers grandkids. but the 4 nieces and nephew aren't blood related. I hope that doesn't sound cruel. They are still my nieces and nephew. But does everyone see what I am getting at. This will be my mothers and of course my fathers 2nd grandchild. I still count baby stephen. I still can't believe that is going to be 11 years. wow. I know everyone has been waiting to see if i would have kids.. well. that was a not so short story. I hope it makes sense. baby Dust and Happy Thoughts. Good Luck Tracy!!!!. oh everyone laught. What were we all talking about yesterday. Last night i got "it has a mind of its own".. read up above and refresh. I started LMAO. I am glad i did that instead of getting upset. but i couldn't help laughing.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 24, 2006, 11:35

Answer: Hey ladies. I can't believe I am actually nervous about this post coital test. It's like I'm back in school and have to take my finals or something. D- this wait is killing me. I feel like I started the TWW early because I am waiting to see if you are PG. I was reading this other thread last night and damn, there were a lot of BFP's. Hopefully you will kick this cycle off for us!!! I was reading some other thread on the over 35 board and there are a lot of women who suddenly get a BFP in their forties so here is some baby dust and positive energy toward all of our wombs.(Not that all of us are over 35) I have decided that right after I give birth to my first I am going to start TTC #2 as soon as medically possible. Thanks for the good luck, I'll let you know what the doc said this afternoon. It better be good news because I tell ya, if those sperm are swimming in the wrong direction I am going to have him draw a map inside of me with large arrows pointing in the direction they need to go!!!!!

Name: Tracy | Date: January 24, 2006, 11:36

Answer: Oh and I am still testing positive for LH surge, so lets hope all this sex works!

Name: d | Date: January 24, 2006, 12:37

Answer: Everyone thanks for waiting with me and still waiting. Tracy dh and i agreed to that too. if we ever get pg or if we are we are going to ttc#2 as soon as its ok.. Just in case draw them a map anyway.. LOL. waiting to hear what the doc says. i will be waiting to hear from you.

Name: Lori | Date: January 24, 2006, 13:48

Answer: Good afternoon ladies!! JCR - glad to see that you dad is doing better. As we all know drugs can sure mess with us!!! At least you got follicles! You have probably been doing this, but bd at least every other day, then you should be fine, and you won't have to worry about what the OPK says. D - I am glad the witch is staying away. On the other hand, I would be going crazy with the wait!! Baby dust and glue to you for sure!!! Tracy - don't worry about the post-coital, no matter what, it will give you an answer that can be worked with. Clomid must really do a number on you because I can sure see the difference in your posts!! Lynn - EMM - CC - glad to see you all still hanging in!! On a personal note, dh and I were able to bd yesterday and I didn't even have to bring it up. Yeah!!! And we hit it before the 60 hour mark so that was a plus. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Name: CC | Date: January 24, 2006, 14:04

Answer: Tracy, good luck on your test. I have never known anyone to have that, so it will be interesting to hear how it goes. Your dh sounds like a doll, and eharmony seems to work for A LOT of people. Years ago I met a guy online (just AOL) and to make a really long bad story very short, it turned into a 2 year relationship from hell. He was the craziest cat I ever met, to say the least, but it took be about a year to figure it all out. I still have fears to this day that he knows where I am, etc. (no joke)..It was awful, but I have heard tons of success stories like yours. I think I just met a very bad bad rotten apple. d, I hope you are pregnant! What a great gift to be able to give to your family!! Since Monday is sooo far away, are you going to test again before then w/ FMU ? jcr, thats good news about having 2 follicles. Hopefully your smaller one will grow grow grow and you can O to get that stress out of your head for the month and concentrate on your family. Where in Canada do they live ? I was just telling dh last week I want to go to Canada. It seems so beautiful. Im glad your Dad is at least at home, that must be a huge relief. I'll miss you while you are gone! No news for me..Already in the 2WW, but really just waiting for the phone to ring w/ my RE referral and waiting to start next AF. I am sad a little but I have to say, its always a mixed bag when you have no expectations of the month. It feels like a great relief but then its depressing at the same time. I am at peace with it, and just being patient to get the help that we need to get a baby.

Name: EMM | Date: January 24, 2006, 14:35

Answer: Hey everyone. No really news to report except that DH and I missed yesterday. He works at 530 a.m. and he gets so tired. We did BD the three days before that though. We have today and tomorrow to go. Hopefully after letting him sleep last night he will be okay today. I feel horrible, but sometimes I feel myself wanting to get angry at him for not "performing." I know that I can't understand the stress he feels when it is O time, but I still get irritated. I guess it is a natural feeling, but I feel like a jerk. He works very hard to give us what we have. I appreciate everything that he does. Well, I found myself going off on a tangant. Sorry. Just hate it when we miss what I consider to be an important day. Makes me wonder (when I get a BFN) if it was THE MOST IMPORTANT day!

Name: EMM | Date: January 24, 2006, 14:37

Answer: I also hate it when I reread my post and I have spelling errors! TANGENT. I messed up with REALLY too! It was supposed to just be real.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 24, 2006, 16:09

Answer: Ladies, Ladies, ladies......my test went perfectly and I didn't even study! The doctor said everything was great and there is no reason for me not to get PG soon. He said if I end up getting AF this month he will do an HSG to see if my tubes are blocked. He probably would have done the HSG sooner, but I kind-of pressured him into a corner to start me on the clomid. I told him I was really depressed for almost a week and he said it was definitely the clomid and to just remember when it happens that it will pass. I also told him that instead of Robitussin I took mucinex and he almost lost it. DO NOT take Mucinex!!!!! I read on other threads that girls were taking it so I thought Hey, maybe they know something I don't. The doctor said it affects CM so to only do the robitussin. I feel very lucky that my cm was good despite that little boo-boo. He also didn't like it when I said we have been Bd'ing every day for the last 3 days. I told him I was so afraid to miss the crucial moment and he said every other day is sufficient, but to have sex again in the morning since he thinks I am ovulating. I have had some cramps and ovarian pain, but not bad. Lori, you said you can tell a difference in my posts? Was I that bad? Guys I'm sorry if I was a downer, but venting to you really helped because I knew you'd understand. You guys are so supportive.....I think I love you (LOL) :)

Name: Tracy | Date: January 24, 2006, 16:13

Answer: By the way, I said something to the nurse about having gained weight and I asked her if the clomid can affect your weight and she said she really didn't think so. Well, that's just great! I have no excuse for putting on almost ten pounds!!!!!!!

Name: jcr | Date: January 24, 2006, 16:21

Answer: CC, my Parents live straight north of spokane WA. It is fun to go up and let Ryley play on the farm with all the animals. It is soooo nice to get a break from the city. Also...I need to plan a swimming lesson down in OC, I have 9 left so I better get on it. I'll let you know when I am heading your way and maybe we can do the starbucks thing! Tracy goodluck with your test. I hope it shows all the boys with snorkels and ready to do their thing!! Lynn how are you doing now that you are done femara. I had more emotional stuff days after, which seems weird. I am doing better now. I go in again on thursday to see how those little eggs are doing and if they're getting big and ripe!! We will bd everyother day until who knows when. Here is a question for everyone, did your RE's ask you to do a mamogram? Mine wants me to do one before I ovulate. I am a little nervous because I am having some dental work done which requires a few xrays (digital so less radiation), but I am wondering how much radiation do you get from mamograms. I know radiation is cumlative, so I don't want a baby that glows in the dark or has 2 heads?? Does anyone know?? What days is everyone on now? I am cd15 and waiting to ovulate. I know some of you have already ovulated, but I am too lazy to read back. D, I still would place a crisp $20 on the fact you are pg, my first pg didn't show up in bloodwork and was about 3wks after they did peestick test at hospital and got bfp. Some just take a while. It was my ultrasound that showed thickening of the membrane that made them give me the test. Hang in there girl, keep the b*&^% away!! We are all hoping you start a trend for us! Belly rubs and big hugs.

Name: d | Date: January 24, 2006, 16:36

Answer: Hey ladies. I so want to poas right now. i just want to know already. if nothing show monday my dr will prolly think i am nuts. no less no appt till monday. the results prob won't be in until late next week. Tracy glad to hear dr has a positive look on things. and trust me if i don't get that bfp and the witch shows. which i know it isent now i will vent too. we all need to vent. i just don't know if i can take another let down. But something tells me i am pg. I got this gutt feeling. I hope it isn't wrong. And ladies yes i hope i start the trend and we will be one right after the other and then we can all move to the next board together. LOL... JCR only $20.. lol.. thats not saying much. LMAO. sorry had to say it. LOL. thanks for everyones positive thoughts.

Name: jcr | Date: January 24, 2006, 16:43

Answer: I only had a crisp $20 in my wallet-don't want to over extend my budget! LOL! hang in there girl. Think you gotta a baby in you! Rub that belly!

Name: d | Date: January 24, 2006, 16:46

Answer: jcr you crack me up. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!.

Name: d | Date: January 24, 2006, 16:51

Answer: Ok so call me crazy. I am watching House of Babies and this has never happened before ever on any baby show. I am crying my eyes out and I can't stop. What is going on??????

Name: jcr | Date: January 24, 2006, 17:32

Answer: PG, going to take a loan on a crisp $100 now

Name: jcr | Date: January 24, 2006, 17:35

Answer: D, go look at some raw ground beef and tell me how you feel??

Name: d | Date: January 24, 2006, 17:43

Answer: Just the thought of going to look at it is making me feel like running to the bowl. LMAO at the $100 now. LOL.

Name: Lynn | Date: January 24, 2006, 17:46

Answer: Hello.....d, why will it take so long to ge tthe results after your appoinment? Think positive thoughts and do not think about AF showing. jcr, I have not had any ill effect from the femara. Makes me wonder if I even responded to the dang drug. My body is so sick of drugs it would not surprise me. My RE e-mailed me and said if this is not working, then we will do follistim to stimulate the follies into growing. My only scare is the fact I am only working with one tube and two ovaries. So...no clue if I have a chance on the months I ovulate on the right side. Tracy, funny you bring up meeting your dh on eharmony.com....Over 5 years ago, I met my dh on yahoo personals when it was free. We talked for close to 6 months before meeting and when we met in person, we never stopped seeing each other. We will be married for 3 years this July. CC, I relate to meeting the crazy people also. I had some really crazy meetings and had to get dh to chase a couple away. A girl I work with is currently using eharmony and met a nice guy, we will see where it goes for her. jcr...I also go on Thursday to RE office to see what is going on.

Name: Lori | Date: January 24, 2006, 17:59

Answer: Tracy - no you weren't "that bad". You just seem in better spirits now. I know it's the meds because most of us were in the "hopeless and helpless" stage last week. I am glad that everything went well with your test and you passed with flying colors!! CC - hopefully you will hear from the RE shortly. It always just seems like we should be doing something or else it (having a baby) will never happen. Your time will be here before you know it!! JCR - this cycle sounds promising for you!! You are one cd behind me. So, we are really close! Hey, and we both have 2 follicles, yeah!! EMM - I know what you mean when it comes to our men. My dh and I have to get up a 3:30 am so that he can get to work by 5 am. Then he works 10 -12 hour days, 6 - 7 days a week! It seems like we never sleep!! Great training though for when that baby shows up!! D - I only have $1 in my purse to bet, but if I had $1000 I'd bet that!!! LOL!! Lynn - How are you doing today? Well, now for the next couple of weeks, it's the wait and see game!!

Name: d | Date: January 24, 2006, 18:03

Answer: Have I mentioned. Everyone of you are great!!!!!. Ok i have to go visit my dad for alittle bit with dh. I have been getting the 3rd degree from him. But i keep telling him "if you want a grandchild that bad you won't care so much if i don't come to see you as often"... LOL. and of course my father is a smartass. Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts.

Name: jcr | Date: January 24, 2006, 18:11

Answer: Tracy, I missed your post as it took me forever to write mine! çongrats on the test that is soooo great. This may be the lucky month for us!!! Anyone know about the radiation in mamograms or has RE recommended that you have it done??? I am 38 and thought they didn't start until 40??

Name: jcr | Date: January 24, 2006, 18:13

Answer: Lori-here's to the lucky two!! Lynn, I think the only side effects I had were the headaches, I think the moodiness was from stress about my Dad. My Re said she likes to use femara b/c less side effects and less chance of too many follicles-just usually 1 or 2 good ones. I go in thursday also so here is to Femara thursday and hope we get good results. belly rubs.

Name: CC | Date: January 24, 2006, 18:17

Answer: d, whats going is your pregnant and your hormones are all over the place!! Tracy, so glad to hear you are a good student! Thats great news!! EMM/Tracy, I know the feeling of wondering if you missed "THE" day but like you were told todday Tracy, every other day should be good enough. I like the extra insurance too, but every other should catch it. I dont think I believe what the nurse said about the weight gain and Clomid. Its a hormone and does things to your body that it isnt used to. I know I was more puffy and heavy while taking it. Maybe I was eating more to try to offset some of the s/e, I dont know, but I wasnt "me" physically when I was taking it. jcr, sounds like a great get-away. Will you be taking your daughter? I dont know about the radiation w/ the x-rays. I would think its really low though, but you should ask before you go..let them know you are ttc and maybe they can give you extra protection.

Name: CC | Date: January 24, 2006, 18:24

Answer: Oh, I am on cd 15, 2 dpo and waiting for next AF. This month I will NOT have any fake signs or symptoms, as I know they will all be in my head. I am going to try to remember what it was like to have a two week period after AF that felt like nothing was happening!

Name: Lynn | Date: January 24, 2006, 18:44

Answer: I am on cd 11 and I have some CM but nothing major to report. Okay having CM is major. I have only recently begung to see it since 2004, so I think that is something to report. Tracy.....I think the nurse is crazy....I gained weight while I was on clomid. I was also told by OB that I would see a little weight gain. I think being on it for so long is what caused most of my weight issues in last 2 years. My RE was excited I lost 17 pounds so that is all I can care about. jcr.....I had major headaches on femara. It was so bad on 2 days I had to take some of my perscription motrin (800mg) to take the edge off. I am so glad I hung onto that after my surgery. Hey Tracy...what all was involved in your "test" today. Why did your RE request that? check back later.....

Name: Tracy | Date: January 24, 2006, 19:21

Answer: JCR- My OB/Gyn prescribed a mammogram about 6 months ago, one I have yet to get. I regret not going to get it at the time. I think they are looking for anything really. Perhaps to make sure breastfeeding would go normally, any tumors or fiboids, etc... about the radiation, call the radiologist you are referred to and ask them these questions. I know they would be willing to be honest and open with you about everything. They do not want to be responsible for retarded babies and such. Lynn-- the test I did today is called a post-coital test and they did it to determine 1. If my CM is killing DH's sperm before it can even reach the uterus 2. To see if his swimmers are swimming and 3. To see how much sperm has remained behind (to see if enough are there to make a baby). I told the doctor my husband was mad because it seems like so much falls out after we are done, even as I remain laying there, and he was able to tell me if enough stayed in to make a baby. I had to have sex and then get to the doctor within two hours. Clomid affects the CM so a lot of doctors like to check you during your fertile days. Well as you all know, I am broke, so I can't bet money on D, but I'll bet my favorite pair of shoes she is PG! Today is CD14 for me and I think I ovulated today. TWW, here we are!!!!!

Name: Tracy | Date: January 24, 2006, 19:25

Answer: OOps, I meant fibroids not fiboids! And lynn, the doctor takes some samples of CM and puts them on slides, then goes and looks at the under a microscope. I left that part out. My insurance must have covered most of it because I walked out of there only paying 25.00. I think I was previously told it costs about 200-250.00.

Name: jcr | Date: January 24, 2006, 20:26

Answer: Tracy, sounds like you could have done the same test at home with a turkey baster and a magnetfied (sp???) glass!! lol. Glad it turned out so good for you! So CC you are the first to be dpo. I think you stand a big chance especially since it is the month before you see RE. gotta run hearing loud banging....bellyrubs.

Name: Lynn | Date: January 24, 2006, 21:53

Answer: well....I thank you for the onfo Tracy and I am going to inquire why that was never done on us. I was told clomid was not good for me due to it drying up what little CM I was making on my own. It would be nice to know what is going on and I too have the same thoughts of the swimmers falling out after BDing. We however would have to get a room near our RE clinic since we live over an hour form there. Boy would that not be like a cheap whore (sorry), renting a room for a couple of hours.....lol. I think his parents live 45 minutes from the clinic maybe we can get a room at their house...lol. Anyway...thanks for the info. talk to y'all tomorrow.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 24, 2006, 22:15

Answer: Lynn-While on the clomid did your doctor ever tell you to take robitussin? Lori and D- Do your RE's or OB/Gyn's know you smoke? I just asked DH when he was going to quit smoking and he said, "when you have the baby because I'll know I can't be selfish anymore", So I said, "Well, I am having a hard time quitting because you smoke, so what if that's the reason I can't get PG?" so he asked me, "Did you tell the doctor yet that you smoke?" and I said no. Then he got upset because he thinks the doctor might have some magical cure for quitting and I was like thinking how absurd that is.

Name: EMM | Date: January 24, 2006, 23:06

Answer: So, my son is sick. He is too young to know how to blow his nose, so we are downstairs in the spare bedroom. No matter which bedroom I go into I have to hear a male snoring. Sucks. I may never sleep. DH and I did BD, but because my son is sick I had to get out of bed. I don't know what you girls do, but I always try not to get up for the rest of the night. It may be all in my head, but it sure does make me feel better. I am not really sure about how long it takes before the gravity pushes all the little men back down when you stand up.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 24, 2006, 23:17

Answer: Emm- I usually lay there with my feet and legs up in the air for a good thirty minutes. Sometimes I just lay on my back with my knees bent, but I try to wait as long as possible before getting up. I feel silly with my legs in the air, but I will go to any length to get PG even if it means looking a little stupid in front of DH. By the way, I often read other threads for info and notice how illiterate some women are. I just wanted you all to know that even though we make a few errors, this group is smart! (Not like you needed me to tell you that). Gonna go watch a little TV and probably pass out. Check back in the AM.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 24, 2006, 23:19

Answer: Emm your post made me laugh. Kids are so cute at the age when you tell them to blow their nose and they sniff instead. Try to get some rest; give the kid some nyquil (Just kidding)

Name: Tracy | Date: January 24, 2006, 23:24

Answer: D-what is House of Babies? I have never heard of that. I did however see that show about the woman who was PG for 46 years. All I can say is GROSS. And the other woman who got sooooo lucky to have the triplets with the one growing outside of the uterus surviving!!!! And they were all normal! How awesome is that?

Name: EMM | Date: January 24, 2006, 23:32

Answer: Yes I will say that putting my legs in the air for 20 minutes or so is the least sexiest thing that I have ever done while naked in the bedroom. What is worse is when DH walks by and says "It's running out!" He never just mentions it. He kind of screams it. Then I am thinking how utterly unattractive I must look with goo running out everywhere. Then we always frantically try to figure out how to get it back in. We're dorks!

Name: d | Date: January 24, 2006, 23:48

Answer: House of babies is just like Baby Stories, except it is more on how the parents got to where they are now. it was on TLC today at 3pm i think it was (Eastern Time). sorry this is short. Going to go lay down with dh. Goodnight all. ttyt/ baby dust, happy thoughts and belly rubs

Name: jcr | Date: January 25, 2006, 0:08

Answer: Emm, your post made my day!! My dh usually just shakes his head and leaves. He is in reading a story to my daughter right now and it is so funny listening to the two of them. How old is your son?? Sorry he is sick. Last time Ryley had a cold I got the plug in menthol thingies. It really seemed to help her breath at night. Tracy, a lady that was pg for 45 years???? Explain. I can't imagine giving birth to a 45 year old, ouch!! bellyrubs to all and to all a goodnight. gotta go try to seduce the old man, then keep the boys swimming upstream.

Name: CC | Date: January 25, 2006, 0:24

Answer: First, I must ask, how the hell is someone pregnant for 46 years ? I didnt know if that shocked me more then the triplet story..What channel is this stuff on, I have to start watching it. Jeez, I am missing some seriously great tv. Must be watching the wrong channels.Tracy, considering everything they tested for today, I think having good results is a confidence booster. I think Congrats is in order woman! Lynn your post made me crack up about getting a hotel room. I think you should do it once..It might make it hot and heavy and make you feel extra sexy..You will feel like you are 16 again (although I never did that I knew plenty of girls in high school who were doing that stuff.-I just stuck to the car and what a challenge that is) EMM, I cracked up at your post about putting your legs up in the air. In the beginning my dh would stare at me in awe, with my legs resting against the wall. Now he just shakes his head and tells me its still comes out anyway. Whatever! It makes me feel better as well, but I think I have noticed its a quicker pour once I do actually get up..Ok, anyway-Hey Tracy, I am surprised that the smoking info isnt covered on some type of questionare or something that you would have had to fill out about your history. Seems like something they would want to know. I dont smoke, but I look at it this way..think of all the things our parents did when pregnant w/ us, or at least mine did and that generation where most of our parents are. My Mom not only smoked through her whole pregnancy she drank (casually) with me. Back then it was just different. Im not saying its ok, but..I dont know what I am saying, just trying to make you smokers feel not so guilty I guess. Im out for the night, my stomach is feeling crazy, only because I had dinner w/ a friend and ate total crap. Ugh. Have a good night everyone!!

Name: CC | Date: January 25, 2006, 0:27

Answer: Oh, and Tracy I think sometimes my posts ARE illiterate! I am usually working and seriously multi-tasking, and sometimes one of my posts will take me half and hour to get done. I hardly ever go back and check what I have typed before I post it and sometimes when I re-read them later I cringe. If I sound stupid sometimes, I really am not, I promise!

Name: Lori | Date: January 25, 2006, 6:44

Answer: EMM - sorry to hear that your son is sick. JCR's suggestion about the medicated vaporizers is a good one. Your post about you and your DH was classic!! My DH is just like jcr's, with the head shaking thing, lol. JCR - I would call and ask about the mammogram. Or, I don't know if you have it scheduled yet or not, but if not, see if you can wait and see if you get your BFP and if you do then don't get it done, or then schedule it during the off 2 weeks. You are right, most doctors don't schedule them until you are 40. But maybe your doctor is having it done as part of a complete work-up. And for me - clomid has made me at the very least, feel more "bloated" and I have gained about 3 lbs. on it. My DH just had to mention last night that my "gut" is getting too flabby!!! How sweet.... NOT!!! Thing of it is, is that he is right!!! If I end up not pregnant this cycle I have decided to take the next couple off and put all of my energy back into working out. Lynn - you cracked me up about the hotel room. It reminded me of the time that DH and I (thought we) had to get one. We were just so nerved up about our first IUI. We checked in at 11pm and out at 6am. After the IUI was done, we said to each other "that's all there is to it, why did we bother". We too are around an hour from our RE, they said that my DH could produce his sample there, but he wasn't having any part of that, lol!! Then he made the joke, "well, if maybe one of the nurses helped him out." LOL!! God, I got to get a life, it is only about 7am and I have already finished all my housework for the day, soooo what now????

Name: d | Date: January 25, 2006, 8:36

Answer: Good Morning Ladies. The witch has stayed away yet another day. I had some very weird dreams again though. Really weird. I hope everyone is well today. Lori I stil have yet to start my housework. I am exhausted for some reason.

Name: d | Date: January 25, 2006, 9:23

Answer: Ladies, Anyone think i am one of the unlucky ladies that will only get a bfp when i am over a week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks before i can get a bfp on a peestick?

Name: EMM | Date: January 25, 2006, 10:33

Answer: Hey everyone. Son is still sick. JCR, my son is almost 20 months old. We are definitely on the verge of the terrible 2's. He is still pretty well-behaved though. I take him for a play day 2 days a week since he has no one to play with but Mommy at home. He has just discovered the DVD player, and it is a little scary. We came downstairs this morning, and he immediately handed me the Baby Noah and said, "Stein." That's how he says Einstein. He loves those movies. We are trying to introduce potty training to pretty much no avail. He knows what the potty is, and he will talk about it. Don't put him on it though. He won't let go of you. We even got him his own little one. It is called the "Royal Thrown." When he sits on it it sings out a royal song, and if he ever goes in it; it will do the same. About the leg things I find it so comforting to be able to talk about stuff like that candidly. You can't talk about legs in the air with just anyone. You guys are great! Oh, question, when you guys get your line on your OPK how many days do you BD after that?

Name: d | Date: January 25, 2006, 12:00

Answer: Where is everyone today? Very quiet.

Name: jcr | Date: January 25, 2006, 12:15

Answer: d, when do you go in for bloodwork? Emm, don't worry you will know when terrible two's begin. It's when your looking at your child laying on the floor screaming and your wondering what happend to your sweet little baby. Kinda like us when we get hormonal!! YIKES.

Name: jcr | Date: January 25, 2006, 12:18

Answer: oops posted before I was done. As for the hotel thing I was actually going to try for a hotel during o'ing. Just for a get away! Whore me up baby...I don't care as long as I get the BFP!! Belly rubs!

Name: Tracy | Date: January 25, 2006, 12:55

Answer: Speaking of OPK's, Moday and Tuesday I had positives but no EWCM ever showed, but then this morning I got a negative OPK and EWCM. WHAT????? It happened backwards for me this month so I called the doc and he is supposed to call me back at some point. DH was supposed to have sex with me this morning but had to leave early for a meeting, then he said he'd come home at lunch, and just called to say he had too much work to do. I really don't want to do "IT" anyway but I feel like I have to or I will miss my chance. The doctor was right about doing it every day, I am burnt!!! About the illiterate thing, we all sound a little goofy sometimes and make mistakes, but you can really tell a difference between mistakes and someone who didn't pay attention in school. The woman who was PG for 46 years was from the middle east somewhere, went to have a baby 46 years back, saw another woman next to her die while giving birth and left the hospital out of fear. (By the way, I missed the very beginning so I'm not sure if she knew her baby was dead already or what). Anyway, I think she thought her body just might purge the fetus on its own, but 46 years went by, she started having severe pain and couldn't walk, her son or someone found a specialist in Morocco, where through CAT scan they realized she was still carrying the dead fetus. It is uncommon, but has happened to women throughout written history. The body protects itself from infection etc... by coating the fetus in calcium to create a barrier between it and the mother. She could have died at any point in her life but was lucky to have survived even the surgery as an old lady. Emm sorry your little cutie is still sick. Although I dread the day my baby gets even a cold, I look forward to being the one to care for him/her. I'm trying to decide if I should go to Pottery Barn Kids. They are just opening one in our mall and are interviewing today only for assistant managers and coodinators. The pay would probably be more per hour, but I'm not sure I would have the flexibility I have now making my doctor appointments. I can't go into an interview and tell them I am TTC or they won't hire me. What do I do???? I make enough where I am for us to eat, but not to pay my debt. The other thing is, I know if I get PG I will get severe morning sickness (been there) so I will have to quit anyway or take leave. Help. I feel pressed for time, as I know they are only interviewing like RIGHT NOW! My friend called me around 11:00 and told me about it.

Name: LSB | Date: January 25, 2006, 12:55

Answer: Well, I figured out what to do with myself, I laid back down... big mistake, now I can't wake up!! Today is just a boring day I suppose. This is stupid.... but, I woke up with a stuffy nose and immediately thought of cm and Robitussin.... If my nose is all dried up then so is my cm.... is that queer or what????? I don't know!!!

Name: EMM | Date: January 25, 2006, 13:07

Answer: Today is a boring day. I am a stay at home mom, but I have been trying to get a job in medical transcription from home. I completed my course, and now the job search just seems endless. I have nothing really in the fire today, and I am just waiting on a few companies to get back with me with test scores. FRUSTRATED!! Well today is the last day that hubby and I will DH for the big O. If we get today that will be 5/6 days. I think that is a pretty good effort. I might try to get tomorrow too. It is so much easier when he thinks that we are passed the days. We are still waiting on the Dr. to call with the results of his sperm analysis. He went on Friday. They weren't the most friendly of people, and he of course didn't ask, and they didn't tell him when he could expect a phone call. I am very curious. I am also very impatient. I want to get the show on the road if we need to seek medical help. We wanted our children to be close in age. I know that my son is not quite 2 yet, but we were hoping for two years apart. Oh well, it is pretty much out of our hands.

Name: EMM | Date: January 25, 2006, 13:07

Answer: that hubby and I will BD...too much lingo!!

Name: EMM | Date: January 25, 2006, 13:16

Answer: Kind of off the topic, but what are you all buying for your Valentine's Day gift? I am unsure of what I am getting for DH this year. Unfortunatel next month, provided no BFP, we will not start BD until the 17th. I was hoping to get to use Valentine's to my advantage. Our anniversary is on the 21st. Unfortunately my husband has to work that night (as of right now). Maybe he can work something out, and we can celebrate our anniversary TTC!

Name: d | Date: January 25, 2006, 13:29

Answer: Ladies, it is me. i just didn't feel like logging in. The BI___ has shown her face and I am in agony. I am still going to go to the drs on monday. They need to figure out what is wrong with me already. My grandmother got had af the whole time she was pregnant with my father and his sister. I need to go lay down. The pain in unbearable.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 25, 2006, 13:53

Answer: D- I'm in shock and I hope everything is ok. Relax and know that we are here when you are ready to post. Big hugs to you. Guys, about my job thing, I already made up my mind to stay at Pottery Barn. I like the convenience and stresslessness of it all-- if that's even a word. Today is a boring day. I am just picking up a little around here, doing laundry, and sitting on the computer reading clomid success stories to try to give myself some hope and positive thoughts. I think I'm gonna go to the grocery store. Doctor still hasn't called me back yet about the EWCM.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 25, 2006, 13:55

Answer: Lori-take some robitussin, you just never know.

Name: Lori | Date: January 25, 2006, 16:18

Answer: D - so sorry to hear that the witch reared her ugly head! Like Tracy said, I am shocked!! Just know that we are here for you. Tracy - you should stay with what makes you happy. I know that this is old-fashioned, but alot of my friends and myself, want to stay home and take care of our kids, our home, and our husbands. But, because we were made to feel that we should have a "career" by society.... we did that, and learned to live with more money. Then when we figured out what was really important to us (what would make us happy), we were in debt and/or realized that we couldn't make it without some form of extra income. I hope that makes sense! My dh and I are now in debt and I have to "do the right thing", and get back to work, but then again here we are trying to have a baby, and if the miracle happens, I WILL at any cost want to be a stay at home mom!!

Name: d | Date: January 25, 2006, 16:59

Answer: i am confused now. I stopped bleeding 2 hours ago but have some weird cramps, almost pinching burning like. But no more bleeding. watch, i opened my mouth now and it will start again. I am just a mess now. Like I said I am going to demand the dr do an ultrasound on monday, because just like i thought 10 years ago the dr that removed my appendix (it was done laproscopy) saw a small cyst on one of my ovaries. If it grew at all it would explain the terrible cramps anymore and it might be a good factor of why the witch is late. Right now i am waiting for dh to get home from work. I guess since i am a spitting image of my grandmother i think i have some hope since i stopped bleeding. I am really shocked too and so is my dh.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 25, 2006, 17:19

Answer: Hang in there D! That is very weird that the bleeding stopped. How heavy was it? If it doesn't start back up again I would call the doctor tomorrow and insist on an emergency appointment. Assuming you are PG, if you bled that would be a good reason to get in ASAP. And if it does start back up, but then stops again, it might not be AF and is yet another reason to get checked out ASAP. If it comes back and stays, well, we all know then it's AF. Have I made any sense? I just know if it were me, and I stopped bleeding and was in so much pain, I would insist on getting in to see someone. I just want the best for you. Ok? Lori-- My dh doesn't want me to have to work at all, but right now I am the food provider. We, honestly, could afford for me to stay home at this point, but things would be a little tight. Since I am not PG, we both figured I could work for a little while before getting PG. His business is growing everyday, so it will be no time before I won't even have to worry about my debts. That is if his business continues on its upward trend. I want nothing more than to be a stay at home mom. I think I've always wanted that, but tried to be the career woman, independant, etc.... but never settled into any one career. I have been a Jane of all trades. I taught adult education for two years, worked in TV production for 5 years, worked at a model and talent agency for 6 months, worked at Pottery Barn and at the Improv comedy club for two years, taught elementary education for two years, and here I am back at Pottery Barn. I think I always went for the things that I thought would be fun, but never felt satisfied with any. I loved my TV jobs but that was too stressful too. My husband says I just wasn't made to work! I think he's right. D--keep your chin up and keep posting when possible so we know how you are.

Name: EMM | Date: January 25, 2006, 17:59

Answer: D, sorry to hear of all the trouble. It is amazing how you think that you know your body (it is YOUR OWN body), and then it decides that it must play tricks on you. Hope things are okay.

Name: Lynn | Date: January 25, 2006, 18:14

Answer: Hello All.....d, do you mind if I ask you a couple of questions? First...when you were bleeding...was it brown or bright red? Do you have pain in one side more than the other? Did you call the doctor back again to tell them what you were experiencing? Not one person is going to advocate for yourself but you. Be pushy that is why you pay them. okay calling all girls who put their legs in the air....I am also one of those girls and also have a dh who laughs and asks why do I do such things. He has also gone as far as saying it looks so romantic (not being serious) having your legs in the air with "stuff" coming out. I have even gone as far as asking him for help making my legs stay in the air. I figure the higher the better and nothing will come out. EMM...I can relate to potty training however they are not my own children. Being a preschool teacher of children with special needs, I am faced with parents saying, "I just cannot do it." So at 3 and 4, I am faced with making sure it is done by the time they go to kindergarten. I understand the challenges and boys are so much harder than girls. well, just finished dinner and need to get dishes in the dish washer. check back later...

Name: d | Date: January 25, 2006, 18:34

Answer: Lynn It started as light pink when i wiped. next time just small amount of bright red and then brown. now barely anything on a pad (brown) wipe almost nothing just alittle brown. no cramps. The cramps earlier were started right in the middle then the left side started to ache. I didn't call the dr. i guess i will see what later tonight and tomorrow holds. THanks Ladies

Name: EMM | Date: January 25, 2006, 18:40

Answer: D- I don't know a whole lot about bleeding. My son was a twin; however, and when I had the miscarriage at about 7 weeks it was all bright fire engine red (I had never seen blood like that before during any period). There was not any brown blood. So, think positive. I don't know if that helps, but....I hope that everything is okay for you and DH.

Name: CC | Date: January 25, 2006, 18:47

Answer: d, I dont know what to think but agree that depending on what happens the rest of the day, you need to demand to be seen asap by your Dr. A blood test needs to be given and will give an accurate result by now as far as pregnancy. Maybe you are pregnant but had some break through bleeding which I hear is quite common. Let us know how you are doing. The lady who was pregnant for 46 years, thats just creepy. Something I dont want to happen to me, no matter how much I want to be pregnant now. Check back tomorrow, Im taking a break from posting for awhile I think.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 25, 2006, 18:52

Answer: Oh yeah, and I worked at a pre-school for a month before going back to Pottery Barn. The way they potty trained there was to leave the bathrrom doors open in the classroom so the kids would see each other going to the potty and eventually they would catch on and try to go too. Everyone in their own time though. Lynn, I admire you for doing that job, especially with special needs children. We had 24 regular kids and I was exhausted by the end of the day. I only lasted there a month because once I got really sick, I got out. For some reason my immune system just doesn't do well around tons of kids and the stress of the job. D-please call the doc in the AM!!!!! You are such a patient person. Emm- I wish I could help you out on the Valentine's day gift idea, but I'm not the best at that sort of thing.

Name: d | Date: January 25, 2006, 19:02

Answer: Yeah that pregnant for 46 years creeped me out. How could she leave the hospital. In the story the baby stopped moving the day after she went home. She was a moron. I am sorry but she was. As for the lady with the triplets that was an amazing story.

Name: d | Date: January 25, 2006, 19:05

Answer: I am finding it weird. I usually have cramps that are stabbing and shooting and 4 tylenol don't even work. Midol and pamprin don't work either. Today i took 1 tylenol earlier. but now nothing. I can't figure it out. I will just wait and see if i still have no bleeding my tomorrow i am going to call the dr. ------the breakthrough bleeding does it come with cramps too? the cramps were gone quick. I am all messed up now.

Name: d | Date: January 25, 2006, 19:19

Answer: as said i will wait and see here. I keep reading that if it were implantation or breakthrough bleeding cramps would not come with it. so i am thinking it is the witch just not in full force yet. I am glad you are all here. I talk to all you more than my so called best girlfriend i haven't heard from her since november. (oh dh is my best friend that is why i put best girlfriend). dh came home but he just fell asleep. I am waiting for him to wake up. THanks Everyone

Name: Lynn | Date: January 25, 2006, 19:29

Answer: d, I do not know how many on this thread has experience with m/c or ectopic and also every person is different. Just please if you see anymore bleeding, call the doctor. When I m/c in 2004, I only bleed once and then 3 days later...the flood gates opened and I lost that pregnancy. With my ectopic, I bled once a day for over a month before my new RE approached me a D&C telling me something was wrong and I needed to do it. I am not saying you are m/c or have an ectopic I just want everyone to be more aware of themselves because no one cares as much about you as yourself. If I would not have changed RE's in the practice...I could have died if let go one more day. Let me tell you....that scared the H*@$ out of me and dh hearing that at post op. I will no longer take anything for granted. Sorry such a low subject. jcr...you go to RE tomorrow dont you? My appointment is at 8:45am. I am working from 11:30am - 4:00pm so if we get home before I have to go in, I'll post.

Name: d | Date: January 25, 2006, 19:36

Answer: Hey Lori, Watch as soon as you get back into the work thing and become a workaholic you will get pg quick.. that happened to someone i know. as for valentines day. dh and i go to our house in vermont.(well at least the weekend before). cause valetines is my dads and brothers birthdays. I think i just might wake dh up and say ok lets go to AC or drive to Conneticut and go to mohegan sun. Dh likes blackjack and we haven't done anything for us in while. or I will get him tickets to a favorite sports team. As for the big O now i don't know know when i am going to o and i am sure i am all messed up now i shouldn't even bother taking opks next month they don't work. :o(. I have cheered up since earlier ladies. Thanks SOOOO Much.

Name: d | Date: January 25, 2006, 19:40

Answer: Oh lynn i understand. Everyone means well here. We all know we are not drs or nurses and everyone is different. I take every though among everyone and trust me i already told dh that if something doesn't change i will call the dr in the morning cause i know there was no reason for me to be as late as i am. Dh told me he knew when i called him this afternoon that i got the bit--. i was crying so much that i made him cry.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 25, 2006, 21:03

Answer: D glad you are in better spirits right now. Where in Vermont do you have a house? My mother and father in law have a home in Bondville. Since dh and i have only been together for a year and eight months, i haven't been there yet. His parents also have a home here, so we see them all the time. I have seen pictures though and it is so pretty. Well, I think I ovulated today. LH surge was negative but the pains and cramps were worse than yesterday's.

Name: d | Date: January 25, 2006, 21:32

Answer: Tracy, we have a place in Peru Vermont. (the movie baby boom (with Diane Keaton) was filmed there except they called it Hadleyville not Peru). Our house is only a couple acres from the baby boom house. By Bromley Moutain. (green mountains). 15 miles east of Manchester, Vermont. 40 miles north of Bennington. It is great up there. WE are waiting patiently for cold air to hit the northeast it has been horribly warm this season and we look foward to many feet of snow in the winter. ----Tracy Got my fingers crossed for you.. Got get em. ----------I for one have stopped bleeding it stopped at 3:30 and now nothing, no cramps and nothing at all. I don't get it.

Name: EMM | Date: January 25, 2006, 22:14

Answer: Does everyone live somewhere in the north?

Name: jcr | Date: January 25, 2006, 22:22

Answer: d, when I had m/c I had a horrible backpain then started spotting the next day and it got more and more. The cramps were horrible and lasted 2 days. So I am keeping my fingers crossed for you. But go see the doc just to be sure. I am a stay at home mom and like you Tracy I tried the career woman thing and it just didn't work for me. I feel being a mom is what my life calling has been. It is great, some days I long for a day off, but wouldn't change it for the world. Emm as far as potty training-they'll let you know when they are ready. Ryley woke up one morning and said "mom I don't want to wear a diaper!" We have a few accidents, but mostly when we are out. But doing very well. Lynn, my appointment is later in the morning. So I'll check in the afternoon. bellyrubs.

Name: d | Date: January 26, 2006, 8:36

Answer: Emm, I live in NJ and Vermont. Well ladies that wicked witch. She really showed her ugly face now. I knew it. I think I have lost all hope and I am going to the drs on monday and telling them they need to figure out what is going on and why my the witch was so late. My dr said in october that i might have had a m/c that it was fertilized i guess but never attached. I don't know. and now i wouldn't rule it out. But i am pretty sure it is just af. Af puts me in agony from day 1-day 3-4. sometimes even before day 1. I am pretty upset and really have given up. I thought we nailed it this month. but something just didn't work. I am crushed. I am not sure if i said this. But dh and I are ttc#1. How many of you are ttc #1 and of course those tttc#2. I am starting to think it is without a doubt hopeless. I think pending on what doc finds on monday i am going to try not to think about it this month. I keep telling dh we have to go and get drunk or something and be spontaneous. I am a housewife. I do work from home for appraisal companies.. I am old fashioned. Young and Old fashioned and so is dh. Dh wants me to be home and I want to be home. although it gets to me somedays and by the weekend i can't wait to get to vermont but i got my dog with me here at home. Hope everyone is well. Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts

Name: jcr | Date: January 26, 2006, 10:20

Answer: D, I am so sorry the b**** came to town!! We all understand how you feel. It is so frusterating when your body lets you down. Have a good cry-you are allowed that. This is sooo maddening...wait for AF, wait for o' then try to figure out real symptoms and created symptoms, then wait some more and more and more. This whold baby making thing is really tough. Well I've peed on 13 sticks already yeay! Really strange but I got LH surge 3 times??? Whacky or what? CC, any word from RE? Lynn, how did your appointment go? Well I am off to the Dentist, then for ultrasound. From one end to the other I guess! Bellyrubs.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 26, 2006, 10:34

Answer: D--there's nothing I can say to make things better, but the hurt will turn to anger, then the anger to resolution. Stay strong my friend. It's funny that you also live in Jersey, my in-laws also used to live in East Brunswick. That's where my husband grew up. I am TTC #1. Been PG before, so I know at some point it will happen again. Emm- I am from way down south in the tropical region of Florida and looking forward to the day that I can move someplace else and experience some changing leaves and/or snow. I love the cold weather and just don't get enough here. I always travel to see my sisters in Indiana and Cleveland while it's cold there. Girls, have a good day wherever you have to go, and keep us posted how things go as far as appointments, etc...

Name: CC | Date: January 26, 2006, 12:16

Answer: d, sorry about AF. I feel your pain, and its even worse when its late and you really begin to think you are pregnant. Sorry..Are you seeing a RE ? Good luck Lynn and jcr w/ your appointments today! I love all of you who can and are stay at home Mom's. It seems there is no better reward and job, and kids really seem to thrive when a parent is able to stay home. Some days I can imagine its all you can do to not freak out and want a break, but I bet its the best job in the world, and time is so precious, I think its great you are able to see them develop first hand. Nothing from the RE yet (thanks for asking jcr) but will call them tomorrow. Have a great day ladies!

Name: Tracy | Date: January 26, 2006, 12:56

Answer: I have been in pretty good spirits, but damn I'm crampy. Everytime I sit down, I have to sit slowly because my abdomen hurts all over. OPK shows no surge, so I think I ovulated yesterday because I was very crampy and showed a semi-low surge if any at all. The two days before (Monday and Tuesday) were definite surge days. We have been dancing like crazy, and even when I'm afrais DH won't be able to go anymore, he "rises" to the occasion! I really didn't mean to make a pun there, but coincidentally did:) Have a great afternoon. I work from 3 to 10 (YUCK) so I will check back in tonight.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 26, 2006, 13:00

Answer: Lori, where and how are you? Almost everyone else has checked in today, this is not acceptable (just kidding!) Lynn-we know you are at work and will check in later. Hope you are having a nice day!

Name: d | Date: January 26, 2006, 13:13

Answer: it is me ladies, just didn't log in again. tracy i grew up right by east brunswick. I lived in woodbridge two which is right next to edison. Ladies i thank you all for you good wishes and thoughts. CC nope I am not seeing an RE but i think i might start soon. I wil see what the dr says on monday. I figure if the cyst is still there i want them to remove it a.s.a.p. Hope everyone is well.

Name: EMM | Date: January 26, 2006, 14:08

Answer: Tracy (and everyone else) I live near Atlanta, but I am originaly from Tennessee. Tracy, where in Florida? Before I moved here I lived in Pembroke Pines near Miami. Can't wait to hear good news from your appointments ladies!

Name: CC | Date: January 26, 2006, 15:23

Answer: d, my Dad lives in Somers Point which is just a few minutes away from Atlantic City..Spent all my summers as a kid there and Margate, Ventor, Ocean City..I still love it there.

Name: Lynn | Date: January 26, 2006, 17:25

Answer: Hey girls...I am back from work. Yeah...what a long afternoon. Well, my visit was uneventful...At the RE office, a nurse always does you ultrasounds. Now keep in mind, if you have a question, they cannot answer them. Since I have been seeing the RE for a little over a year, I have had many internal ultrasounds so know what I am looking at. I have 2 follies in my right side, both are good size and quality (that is good...I know what you all are thinking) and one on my left hat is not growing beyond a 8. The bad news is...I do not have a right tube for the eggs to get fertilize or move to uterus. The nurse just said, "I am sorry Lynn..better luck next month." Well, my blood was a boiling and I demanded to speak to my RE which happened to be in the next room doing an egg transfer for an IVF patient. My RE is so great...he came in and talked for 30 minutes on not loosing hope this month...sometimes the left tube will pick up right egg and go from there (no definite but could happen). I am to pee-on-a-stick (I am now joining jcr's club) today and tomorrow and if I do not surge, I am to give myself the HcG shot (forces you to ovulate) and hope for the best. Also said to BD on Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday just to make sure. He laughed and said now I am not writing a prescription for that. He also said to BD today (so dh took that as when we got home from appointment and before I went back to work). So...I guess we wait and see if a miracle will happen this month. So...jcr, how did you do? d, I am sorry for AF showing. I think everyone wishes it could have been different for you and can understand your feelings. I agree...cry, it is okay and normal for us. EMM and jcr: I wish staying at home raising our child is an option but as it stands...I cannot due to financial situation. I will say...dh works nights and I work days so us caring for a child will happen. To answer some questions...I currently live in North Carolina but grew up just outside of Pittsburgh, PA. I am no longer a snowy girl and wish it would just go away. So far it has been a strange winter for NC and I am not complaining. check back later...

Name: jcr | Date: January 26, 2006, 22:49

Answer: D, how are you holding up?? I hope you are ok, well as ok as can be expected. Lynn, I am glad you spoke to the RE. You never know what your body will do! Fingers crossed! Have you done HCG before? My appt was ok. I only have 1 follicle that is about 19.5 and 1 that is about 11. They are having me do the hcg tonight. I am a little freaked, just waiting for hubby to get home incase I pass out! I am hoping my 1 folli is the lucky one. I am not holding up much hope tho for this cycle. I have a feeling if no luck we will move to stronger drugs. Which I don't really want to, but we'll have to see. Tracy I too miss seasons and try to get home to Canada a few times a year. Lori, are you ok?? Emm how is your little man feeling? Lynn when did your RE tell you to bd?? Mine said 24 hours then 36 hours after hcg, but I am wondering if I should do it more???? It is the weekend almost so I will the time?? Well gotta run! Big hugs and Bellyrubs.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 26, 2006, 23:18

Answer: Hey guys- just got off work. I hate working nights. Emm- I know Pembroke Pines very well. I used to live in Coral Gables, Hollywood, Ft. Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, and now I am in Jupiter. Lynn--wish appointment would have been more to your liking. It's true though, our bodies are strange and you never know what it is capable of. Keep your spirits up and stay positive (as much as you can). Lori--where are you girl? JCR- isn't 19.5 a good size? I'll be honest, I don't know much about follicle size, but from what I've read that sounds pretty good. What size should they be at this time?

Name: Tracy | Date: January 26, 2006, 23:19

Answer: Hi D and CC! What's up?

Name: Lori | Date: January 27, 2006, 6:10

Answer: Good morning ladies. I am still here, yesterday was just a busy day for me. Lynn - I wish your RE appt went better for you. But, you just never know. What your Dr. said is true, so fingers crossed for you!! JCR - it only takes one follie and 19.5 is a good size. You are on your way!! Hope you didn't get "freaked out " about the shot. I take my shot to the RE and the nurse gives it to me. Years ago, my DH had to give it to me, he didn't do bad. And 13 sticks already? Didn't you predict 17? I think you're going to go overrrr just a little, lol!! Tracy - I have heard that having a lot of cramps could mean that you are dehydrated. So, drink up on the water!! D - definately get in to see the Dr.!! I used to live in NJ too. Mount Holly area. We used to go to the Cherry Hill race track all the time. But that was many moons ago. Sad to say, (because it makes me feel so old), but you were just a wee one back then!!! CC and EMM, hope all is well with the both of you!! Well ladies, AF is due to NOT show up on Feb. 8th for me. It seems like it is an eternity away. I was talking to one of my friends yesterday (the one that is pregnant). Sometimes people without fertility issues just really don't get it. She had told me that the baby is 6lbs 9 oz now so they are figuring it to be about an 8lb baby. I said, "well that is great, at least you know that everything should go well now". She said, "you try having something that big come out of you!!" Well, maybe I am just altra-sensitive, but I would love to "try having" something that big come out of me, hell let it be 12 lbs and tear me to shreds!!! If it meant I would have a baby to bring home at the end of it all!!!! Well, I just thought I would share that with you because I know that you understand it all. Take Care, and I will check in later.

Name: d | Date: January 27, 2006, 9:37

Answer: Hi ladies, Good Morning. I hope everyone is well. I am still going to the dr on monday. i saw something yesterday that i think may have told me it wasn't just the witch. and still very painful. Lori I know we all would like to have something that big come out of us all we want is to get pg. i can't stand hearing about all these mothers that kill there kids especially the latest one in NY. We go to florida every year in November but now i just said to him lets just go down there for a week in february but we are still hoping for lots of snow so that we can go to vermont. ALTHOUGH I hate Vermont in the summer. don't get me wrong it is great but the mosquitos are the size of baseballs . yuck. and to many other bugs. It now feels like winter here and it is nice. 25 degrees this morning. I love the cold and so does dh. On the other note. I Think i have now given up all hope. But then again I think if it is the cyst acting up well that could explain all the problems. Well that is about it for now. As said I hope everyone is well today. Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 27, 2006, 9:54

Answer: Lori--I completely agree with you about the things people say. Like when parents say the job doesn't end or it is exhausting and it's hard to find time for yourself, etc... who cares!! Bring it on!!!! I love to sleep, but I am willing to sacrifice my sleep to nurture my wee-one, however exhausting it may be. I won't shower for days if that's what the job entails. Well, I just went to get my cholesterol checked. My follow up is on Wednesday. I have had high cholesterol for about 17 years. It is partially genetic. I only (without clomid) weigh about 122lbs, I eat organic foods, and eat red meat probably once every two months and I'll bet it hasn't changed. I had it checked in August and it was a staggering 255!!!! (considered high). It scares the crap out of me because my dad's side of the family, especially my aunt and grandma, have had some serious problems and I don't want that to be me. My older sister's cholesterol is fine, go figure she'd get my mom's genes. Lori--I never thought about the fact that I could be dehydrated, but it makes a lot of sense. I haven't been drinking as many fluids since giving up my cran-rasberry juice. I buy the organic juice, but I thought it still might be too much sugar, so I stopped buying it, but now I drink less. I was worried because yes, I have gained 10 pounds and am now a solid 132 lbs. Some of you are probably like "oh, be quiet" but it's like I said before, it is all in one place and it isn't muscle that's for sure. Not only that, it has come on since starting the clomid in December. That's fast to gain ten pounds. D--how are you holding up? Well, I am going to call a nutritionist and see if she accepts my insurance. I'll check back in a little while. I'm not working today.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 27, 2006, 9:58

Answer: D--I was writing my post for a while in-between tasks, so now I see how you are holding up. Keep your chin up girlie and if you need to talk I'll be here.

Name: d | Date: January 27, 2006, 10:10

Answer: so since i have just about lost hope I even told dh we should use condoms and poke holes in them one month maybe that will work. (lol) or get really drunk. I was thinking of going for acupunture too. although i do need it for what seems to be a pinched nerve in my neck. at least i hope that is what is wrong by my neck and head. I used to weigh 78, 98 lbs and once i met my husband my whole world changed and i have felt as wonderful since the day i met him. He saved me in many ways. Yes i was anorexic but af never stopped then dr says i am ok. Dh does worry that i will have a relapse so am i too. He wants me to go jogging with him at night and i am afraid too cause i used to go jogging all the time until my body couldn't take it anymore in that day. I would run until i could barley see straight. I don't like the way i look now but i got bb's back. I guess that was the best thing with gaining weight back. It has been so long i don't think i will ever have a relapse. Hope everyone is well.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 27, 2006, 11:08

Answer: Yeah, you have boobs!!!! Well, I for one am proud of you for gaining some weight. I'm not sure any of us are ever happy with our bodies, ever! It takes a lot to get over anorexia, it's mental, so you have to fight with your own mind to get past the feelings you are having. Good girl....way to go! You know, just for kicks you should start the adoption process and I guarantee you'll get PG.(Hahaha) Seriously though, I am about to give up hope too. Some days are better than others, but most of the time I am scared and hopeless and feel like I have no strength left to handle the sadness and disappointment. In my mind I am in the fetal position.

Name: d | Date: January 27, 2006, 11:22

Answer: It gets harder and harder every month. By next week i should be feeling better. Now i don't know when i am going to o.

Name: EMM | Date: January 27, 2006, 11:40

Answer: Hey everyone! Jcr-thanks for asking about my son. He is much better now. It just took him a few days. Unfortunately it was during ovulation, but we still did get to BD. When you have a child it makes it very hard to ttc. Sometimes he just won't let us have the alone time. Oh, well. He is well worth it. One of my friends called me from N. Carolina, and she just found out that she is pregnant. I am very happy for her. It seems to have stung a lot less than when my sister-in-law told me that she was pregnant, and her husband started bragging abouth having "super sperm." Of course he tells that to my husband who everyone knows has issues with health. Anyway, so I felt kind of good that when she told me I was able to say Congratulations and actually mean it. This morning I had some mucus...which I thought was weird because ovulation was on Monday, but all the same we BDed before my husband went to work. Unfortunately during the day I don't have the luxury of leaving my legs in the air for 20 minutes, but maybe it won't matter. We are still waiting for the test results from my DH. We called yesterday, and they said that they just received them, so that maybe tomorrow (today) they will have some results. We are going to call though if we don't hear something soon. Hope all is well as we are currently suffering from the two week wait!

Name: Tracy | Date: January 27, 2006, 11:41

Answer: I would buy 2 or 3 boxes of OPK's and start peeing on them around day ten. I would do them every day for as long as it takes to see a surge.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 27, 2006, 11:43

Answer: My OPK post was directed to D. Just so Emm, you don't go, "What is she talking about?"

Name: Lori | Date: January 27, 2006, 12:07

Answer: Hi everybody!! Glad to see we are all still hanging in there!! EMM - I hope your DH's results come back ok. D - I HATE the cold... I have been in a constent state of "shiver" this whole winter... and it has been a very mild one so far!!! Tracy - what can I say about all you "skinny minnies". I guess no matter what you weigh you want to be thinner!! I just got back from my dental appointment... 2 cavities and 2 caps needed (or possibly a bridge). And I am having some gum trouble that they said could be due to the hormones. They wouldn't do x-rays, which is good, but I am to go back if I find out that I am not pregnant, or wait until the second trimester (if I understood correctly). Oh well, I do all that I can but my teeth won't cooperate!! Hubby is home today. He broke his elbow a few years ago and it is really bothering him, so he is taking today and tomorrow off. I swear my dog has ADHD (LOL), I take him out to go pee and he starts then something will distract him and he forgets why he is out there. Then I have to tell him not to "go ADHD on me" and he gets back on track. This happens about 3 times before he is done!! Ok, I am done rambling for now. Take Care everybody!!!

Name: EMM | Date: January 27, 2006, 12:26

Answer: So, today Georgia urology called and told us that we have to make a follow up appointment. That they will not discuss results over the phone. Why they didn't tell us that when we were there so we could have made the appointment already...I have no idea. Kind of pissed now. I just wanted to get the ball rolling, and they are not being as helpful as I would like.

Name: CC | Date: January 27, 2006, 12:33

Answer: Good morning all!! Happy Friday! Lynn, keep the faith..You never know what might happen! 2 follicles gives you double the chance that they will "go to the other side"..jcr, all you need is one follicle and you have a nice sized one..Keep positive! Lori my grandparents are from Cherry Hill and my Dad grew up there (he was born in Philly)..Its a cool quaint town. You are right, people who have no problems ttc really are clueless. Just like the guy we had dinner w/ a few weeks back. Sometimes people need to think before they open their mouth. One of my girlfriends tells me about 5 times a week who has two kids and almost a 3rd "You just wait and see" when talking about them or telling me a story about them misbehaving, etc. There is no good response to that in my situation and it just goes right through me. I am already "waiting to see"!! Geez...d, sorry to hear you are still down, but its understandable. Sounds like your DH is supportive of your weight. I have a friend who has weight issues, and her OB told her it was better that she gain weight then loose or stay super skinny when ttc. You dont want to be too thin or too heavy. EMM, glad you got your bd'ing in. I bet w/ a little one it can be really challenging at times. Will check in later.

Name: Lori | Date: January 27, 2006, 12:35

Answer: EMM - that just stinks!! If they knew that their protocol was not to discuss results over the phone, then they SHOULD have made a follow up appointment right then and there. After all, why bother to have the test done if you didn't want to know the answer, right!! Oh well, what's done is done... but I understand the "ARRGH" feeling. Take Care.

Name: CC | Date: January 27, 2006, 12:37

Answer: EMM I missed your last post while I was posting. That is so incredibly stupid, but so like a DR's office. How annoying! When were you able to make the appointment for ? Just another way for them to get you in the office and pay a co-pay if you have it.

Name: EMM | Date: January 27, 2006, 12:56

Answer: My husband said that he is going to call right now and make an appointment. I hope it is sooner than later. What really makes me mad is that we called yesterday, and all they said was maybe tomorrow. I wonder if maybe they won't discuss the results over the phone if they aren't that good....great, something else to occupy my brain.

Name: EMM | Date: January 27, 2006, 14:37

Answer: So, I am very upset now. My husband made his appointment. They said that the earliest that he could be seen at any office is not until Feb 6 at 2:50. So, now we have to wait over 2 weeks just to find out 3 different things about his sperm. As soon as my son wakes up from his nap I am going to the store. I am tempted to just pick up one of the sperm tests at the drug store...even if they are $40. I want to know something. Well, nmaybe it is because I am frustrated, but I am having cramps. What is weird is I have read up on all of the symptoms, and I don't remember having any of them when I was pregnant with my son. I guess because I wasn't trying and we though DH couldn't have kids I wasn't even paying any attention. I did have to have a C-section (son had cord wrapped around neck), and I wonder if the scar tissue ever causes me to have cramps. Anyone know?

Name: Tracy | Date: January 27, 2006, 16:13

Answer: You know what Emm, when my DH got his sperm checked they said we'll ahve the results in two days. When we called 3 days later, they said you have to get the results from the doctor who ordered the analysis. I called my doctor's office and asked if we needed to make an appointment or not in order to get the results, she didn't know and said the doctor would call me. Days went by, nothing....so my husband called their office and went off on them. He told them all we needed to know was if we needed to make an appointment or not and I still don't know the results. That night at about 7 the doctor called me himself and gave me the results over the phone. My husband waited for over a week and it was driving him crazy. Poor thing's manhood was being analyzed and they made him wait. Lori, don't get me wrong, I do feel blessed to be a skinny-minny BUT I have no muscle tone, no strength, and am flabby. All I want is to be tone again, and feel like I have some energy.

Name: CC | Date: January 27, 2006, 16:45

Answer: EMM- After reading your post, I was even insulted! My dh has done it twice, once my Dr office called me w/ results about a week later, the 2nd time no one called, I called them, and they called me back w/ the results (OVER THE PHONE!) I think you need to not get the drug store sperm test, and call your Dr office back and tell them this is unacceptable and if they wont give the results over the phone, you want a appointment asap. Find out why they wont give the results over the phone ? There really is no reason for that, and getting results from this only takes literally a few minutes. I think they are being unreasonable. Sorry for your frustration!

Name: EMM | Date: January 27, 2006, 17:23

Answer: Sorry to post so much today, but today I have things to post about. Usually not much news, but today is different. Like I said earlier I was weirded out by the mucus because I should have already ovulated. Then I was thinking well my period lasted like 9 days instead of 6 so maybe I was off. I started having some cramps, so when I was out at the store I bought an OPK. I used it, and I am ovulating now. The pain has just increased too...like really horrible period cramps. I called DH and told him that when he gets home at 1130 tonight we have to BD. I am hoping that all of these things are good signs, but I could do without the cramps!

Name: EMM | Date: January 27, 2006, 17:24

Answer: Oh, and thanks everyone for the support about the test. It makes me so mad, but there isn't really anything to do about it. Thanks for getting mad WITH me!

Name: Lynn | Date: January 27, 2006, 18:15

Answer: jcr...hey girl, it only take 1 follie and over 19 is good to release. Yes, I have taken HcG before. Not a big deal and dh usually gves it to me in my hips. Word to the wise...it makes you ovulate so...no more peeing on sticks. I was told to BD day of HcG shot, day after and the day after that. I was told to get Hcg (if I did not O on my own) Saturday and he told me to BD on Sat., Sun., Mon. and if I wanted extra insurance to go ahead Tues. I think I am beginning to O on my own so may not need shot tomorrow. Who knows. Also jcr..I have moved on to injections before and really it is easy. I took follistim and gave the injections to myself. If we are not BFP this month, 1 more of femara and if nothing, we are going back to follistim. He is cautious about follistim again due to ectopic pregnancy in Aug 2005 while using follistim. Once the follie is over 18, they get you to O. So go with it. When I got BFP in Aug, it was only one follie. d, I am sorry you saw something you think is more than just AF. Are you still cramping? I hope you get some kind of report on Monday. Make sure you tell them what you saw (even though you may not think it is important) because if you were pregnant and you mc, you need them to check your levels so they are going back down to begin TTC again. Tracy...I wish I was a skinny minny but I am settling for what I have and making the best of it. I am doing weight watchers and to date, I have lost 20.5 pounds. Dh loves me for me so I am doing this for me and ability to conceive. I gained tons of weight on clomid...i took the drug for 8-9 months so I know I did not gain it on my own. EMM, when dh gave sample, he got results over the phone also. The nurse at my OB office called and said everything was fine and we were good to go. RE looked over results and said it is good and we should not have a problem. Call again and ask why no results over the phone. I hope the rest are relaxing and getting ready to BD, are BDing or beginning the wait. Keep us posted. I should patiently wait for AF to stay away on Feb 11th. check back later....

Name: Tracy | Date: January 27, 2006, 18:29

Answer: Man, I don't know if it's from the clomid or what, but depression set in again today. All positiveness went right out the window. Lynn, you lost more weight? Yipeeeeeeee!!!!! You go girl.

Name: CC | Date: January 27, 2006, 20:00

Answer: Well, finally I have some news..My auth got approved to see the RE. Of course by time I called to make an appointment, they were already closed for the day, so hopefully on Monday I will have a date to look forward too. Whooo hooo! I think it will help my spirts for now to look towards the future and have renewed hope that we can be helped...I will be mia until Sunday, I am co-hosting a bridal shower (thankfully its not a baby shower, that I dont think I could handle now) all day tomorrow..I'll try to check in later.

Name: CC | Date: January 27, 2006, 20:01

Answer: Tracy, sorry to hear you are down again. When you feel like this is is specifically towards ttc, or other things..Do something great for yourself tonight/tomorrow and feel better!

Name: d | Date: January 27, 2006, 20:21

Answer: I was thinking of getting that home test for my dh. Drs suck i said that last week. Feb 6 is so far away. Sorry that i have been quiet but you all know how i am feeling right now. I hope everyone is well. Anyone starting their 2ww yet? Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts

Name: Tracy | Date: January 27, 2006, 21:30

Answer: CC-I think I feel overwhelmed by so many things right now, I don't know what to do. I have some changes I need to make in my life and making such changes is harder than it seems. Since my cholesterol is high I need to focus more on my diet and I also HAVE to start an exercise regimen, which is hard to do when you are depressed and feel hopeless. I know exercise will make me feel better, but getting started is the bitch. I need to quit smoking for so many reasons, so today I threw my cigarettes away and made it a couple hours before starting to freak out. When DH came home, I copped out and had some of his. I don't know how to beat this one without intervention. I am dedicated to stopping though, so I know I've taken the first step. I'm angry that I am a slave to this and feel I should have the power to stop it. I'm just angry period. I told my mom on the phone today that I had spoken with a nutritionist and she got mad at me for wanting to throw my money away when my diet is something I am smart enough to do on my own. I told her if I had someone who could help me, I think it would be easier to plan my meals etc... I just didn't get the positive energy from my mom that I was hoping for and felt like she brought me down. I cried when I got off the phone with her and haven't really stopped yet. You said to do something nice for myself, but anything I want to do I cannot afford. I could go for some acupuncture, a massage, or maybe even getting a few sessions in with a personal trainer. Anyway, CC-I'm so glad you finally got your approval. Yeah!!!!!!!! D--I am now officially 2 dpo and in the TWW, hoping at the end of this cycle for some good news from one or more of us. I can say that I am glad I have you all to fight this battle with and would love to hear one of you got a BFP.

Name: jcr | Date: January 27, 2006, 23:15

Answer: Tracy, I am sending you a HUGE hug. I know how you feel. I am sorry that your Mom wasn't more supportive. We all know how to eat better, but a nutritionist is a good idea to keep you motivated and maybe give some new ideas. I think that is a really great idea. As far as smoking, I have never had the problem, but I have heard it is a hard habit to break. My fingers are crossed for you! Starting monday let's work together-I am seriously addicted to sugar-so let's cut back on our two vices together. I know yours is much harder than mine, but we could at least support each other. As far as doing something nice for yourself, you can keep it cheap. Light some candles and get some good bubble bath and induldge. Also try to find some yoga classes, they always help me want to lead a healthier lifestyle. It is wonderful. Remember Rome wasn't built in a day and this is going to take time. You are going to take steps forward and back...but don't be too hard on yourself when you take steps back. That is when I over induldge. Let go of the guilt and try to listen to your body. CC, I am excited about your trip to RE. I will probably head down your way tuesday and back on wednesday, so if you want to try to meet let me know! Lynn congrats on the weightloss it feels great doesn't it!! d, hang in there and do not relapse. I had an eating disorder for years, and I think it is more about control than body image. When our life starts spinning out of our control-food is the one thing we can control. I remember how I thought it felt good to go to sleep at night being hungry-it's like I was pulling one off on my body. Hang in there. The 1st half on your cycle is an up hill battle the last part is the roller coaster. So I hope we all get the big down hill with BFP;s along the way!! Lori, about your dental work-take care of your gums, they get worse when you get pg, also if you are close to a dental school they can do good work for a fraction of the cost, it just takes longer to do the proceedures. Also a lot of offices will let you make payments. Thanks for being such wonderful and supportive women. It's going to be so exciting for us all to listen to our stories of BFP's, birth and then the precious baby stories! Hang in there we can do it. BIG HUG AND BELLYRUBS!

Name: Tracy | Date: January 27, 2006, 23:40

Answer: JCR-Thanks for all the positive support.I'm so willing to try anything at this point to start making changes. I will try baby steps. I think my biggest hurdle is the smoking. I know I don't smoke much, but letting it go makes me very irritable and then I get depressed. I hate the thought of cancer though and don't want to end up a statistic so I think if I can forewarn DH, he'll be able to put up with the withdrawl symptoms. I don't know how to handle the cravings though. They are hard to explain, but you get a tightness in your throat and chest that almost makes it seem like it's harder to breathe, then when you finally smoke, the sensation goes away. I want to be honest with my OB so he can recommend some help or something, but I feel like I've been dishonest with him, and don't want to eat shit after losing his confidence. It would be like smoking crack and being busted by your mom. Yikes. You are truly a great cheerleader and have given some great strategies, now I need to implement some of them. Have faith in me. I have faith in you. I found a great snack in the health food store that really helped get me away from sugary snacks. They are called "Fruity Sunhats" by Seitenbacher. They are like fruity, little, gummyish things shaped like hats. They have no preservatives, etc... and are made with real fruit. I no longer crave candy or cookies as long as those are around. My favorite flavors are strawberry and cherry.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 27, 2006, 23:42

Answer: Oh yeah, and a big hug right back at ya!

Name: Lori | Date: January 28, 2006, 6:55

Answer: CC - That's great news that you finally got your approval!! You must feel a weight lifted off your shoulders. Have a great time with the bridal shower!! EMM - Your DH has a right to his medical records. Although some may be diffierent - the office that i worked for, if someone wanted a copy of something specific, we made that copy right then and there and handed it to them. Just food for thought. Speaking of food, Tracy - a nutrionist is a wonderful idea, I think I will have to steal it from you and seek one out myself. If I could have someone hand me a menu and say "follow this to the letter", I know that I could do it. Just like those diets that give you the meals already prepared. (But those are too expensive for me). D - I am on cd 20 and putting myself at 5 dpo. I hope you are feeling better today!! JCR - You gave Tracy a great pep talk!! It even helped me!! Thanks!! How is everything going with you?? Lynn - You are doing great on your wait loss!! Well ladies, Take Care!!

Name: jcr | Date: January 28, 2006, 13:53

Answer: Good morning! Here is a wierd question for you-I took hcg shot friday and do not have very much ewcm??? Which is strange for me-I had quite a bit thursday but not so much last night?? I think I may have ovulated on my own on thursday, but bd'd wed and friday, is it ok??? Belly rubs and hugs.

Name: Lynn | Date: January 28, 2006, 21:02

Answer: jcr...you may have on your own and if so...you may have covered the O with BDing on Wednesday/Friday. I would BD tonight if it is not too late. I am taking shot tomorrow morning and RE said to BD Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. We did today incase I O on my own. I am going to need a miracle for this one girls. Follies on right and no tube to deliver it. UGH....CC, yeah on approval...let us know when your appointment is. Ask tons of questions when you go. I googled a website that actually had question to ask at your first appointment with a fertility specialist. Has hubby had a SA? Well, girls, some of us are going to begin our TTW so we need huge support. Someone os going to get that BFP if not more than one this month. Good luck girls.....

Name: jcr | Date: January 28, 2006, 21:14

Answer: Lynn, fingers crossed for those eggs to find their way down!! I am having strange cramps today, so thinking it may be o??? I have no idea. But we have only missed thursday night bding this week and are going to keep it up until monday. I start progesterone supositories (sp?) on Monday night. Has anyone used them?? I had spotting with Ryley and m/c'd early on #2, so hoping this will take care of it. I guess tomorrow I'll consider 1dpo? So my Dr told me to test 10 dpo, so I'll keep my fingers crossed and belly rubbed. hugs.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 28, 2006, 21:29

Answer: So now I think we are all officially in the TWW. I am like 3 or 4 dpo. I swore I wasn't going to go crazy this month, so you'll probably have to stop me from overanalyzing all these clomid symptoms! There's hope and fear in the air. I need a miracle soon!

Name: jcr | Date: January 28, 2006, 22:36

Answer: So I think today is the big o?? I finally have ewcm and am ready to go. It's kind of exciting actually knowing I am ovulating, I should have done this months ago!!! yeay! Well ladies, I am going to hold of for the 10 days to hpt test. Yes, I can do it this month. Wow, that means I may get by under the 17 tests I predicted I would pee on! Bellyrubs.

Name: d | Date: January 28, 2006, 22:39

Answer: HI ladies it is me. I hope everyone is well. Sorry it took me so long to check in. I am hanging in there and dreading the drs appt on monday. Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts

Name: Lynn | Date: January 28, 2006, 23:24

Answer: d.....don't dread the appointment. This a chance for you to get answers or at least be able to ask questions and see what they say. I guess after being followed by an RE for almost 2 years, I welcome the chance to go and ask my questions. jcr.....the HcG shot is exactly like Oing except the drug did it instead of your body. Have you never taken the shot before? I have not taken the supp. I have taken oral progestrone called prometrium. My new RE does not believe in that therapy so he will not prescribe. However, I do have a prescription from previous attempts at getting pregnant. I will fight that battle when and if I get a BFP. I have not begun my dpo it will not take place until Monday. I am the late bloomer of the bunch. talk to y'all tomorrow....

Name: jcr | Date: January 29, 2006, 0:40

Answer: d, make a list of questions to take with you to the Dr, make sure you write them down. It is easy to get sidetracked and leave thinking I should have asked... So sit down tomorrow with a pen and paper and write away. It will be good to get on top of things and find out what is going on! Lynn, I think I am only a day ahead of you. But it is cd18 for me! Which is better than my last o' which was cd30. It was the first time with hcg. Why does your Dr not believe in that tx?? CC, how was the wedding shower?? Lori I guess you were the first in the 2ww -right? Where is everyone in there cycle now and what day are you going for hpt's?? Belly rubs!

Name: Lynn | Date: January 29, 2006, 9:29

Answer: jcr.....I took the HcG shot this morning at 6am. Now, 36 hours later is my peak so that puts us at Monday evening at 6pm. No needed to worry BDing will take place each day until Tuesday. I will probably even throw in a couple extra to throw dh off. Saturday night he was feeling a little "pressured". Not sure why seeing I said nothing to him but think he may have remembered what the RE said. So yes, I am a day behind you and I am on cd 16. As for not believing in the tx, he said if someone was going to m/c, it would happen regardless of what meds I was put on. I am sure I am not explaining this properly. I understood due to when I had my ectopic in Sept. I took prometrium (oral) from day 1 when I found out I was pregnant. on Sept. 15th, went for ultrasound and all they could find was blood filling my uterus. I would bleed once a day (first thing in the morning) and never again. Went for blood work..hormones still rising...I was pregnant but they could not figure out why I had sooooo much blood in my uterus and was there a baby in all that blood. Left me go another week (still taking prometrium) and on Sept. 23rd we did another ultrasound 3D. Major blood in my uterus and not baby. Scheduled D&C for the next morning, was told to stop taking prometrium from new RE so my cervix would open and let the blood out. When nothing showed in D&C, I was rushed to the hospital for emergency surgery. Bottom line...taking the progestrone pills kept all the blood in my uterus and masked what was happening. It saved my live but also hindered it since they could not see through the blood and I was bleeding out due to ectopic. So, I am caught whether to take it again seeing my past history. I also feel in my heart, each person is different and if your doctor uses that tx, you need to follow his/her wishes. Let me know how it goes. I will ask about taking the pills again if/when I get a HPT. I tend to ask the same question a couple different times to see if they change their response. Nothing more than a doctor that gives you different answers or none at all (my old RE was like that). let me know how it goes for you.

Name: Lori | Date: January 29, 2006, 9:37

Answer: Good morning ladies! Lynn - we are cheering on those eggs to find their way!! D - like everyone else has said, don't dread your Dr. appointment. Make sure to take a list of questions. We will be waiting to hear what your Dr. says. JCR - The last time I went in to see the RE, the nurse asked me if I had my perscription for suppositories. Long story short - if your uterine lining is ok (correct thickness) you don't need them and they check it with the u/s when they are checking the follicles. The RE never mentioned that I needed them. Hope the info helps. Now don't worry that something is wrong because there are alot of other women on these boards that are using them and having successful pregnancies. Personally, I think using suppositories would give me some reassurance, and I was a litte un-nerved when the nurse asked me and I wasn't getting them. Tracy - I am 6 - 7 dpo and I am already thinking that this cycle has failed because I don't have the sore bbs!! I am also having terrible bloating and water retention - my ankles are soooo swollen!! I keep thinking to myself, "if this is happening already, I am in NO shape to carry a baby for 9 months!!" So, I am back to being scared with either way this cycle goes. CC - we are looking forward to your return, and hope that you had a fun day yesterday. It's time to bring on the baby dust everybody!!! ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*-~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*-

Name: Tracy | Date: January 29, 2006, 10:24

Answer: Lynn, I don't know if this makes sense or not, but when you get your next BFP can they do some kind of ultrasound right away to see the location of the baby and then if it is in the right place, give you the progesterone if needed as per your level? OR do they not like to do ultrasounds that early? JCR- you are a true addict. I laughed when you asked us when we are going to test because I thought, "she can't test, so she wants us to, so she can live vicariouly through us!" I really am just kidding. I am so glad you ovulated earlier than last cycle. That is such a great sign and I am ecstatic for you! D-- I agree, write down everything you wonder about between today and tomorrow, because I always leave my doctor's office having forgotten things. You are paying for their time, so use it to your liking. Oh and Lynn, I read on another thread how this girl is in the same boat as you and her RE said sometimes those eggs miraculously find where they need to go. Keep the faith. Lori-- you keep the faith too. Through so much reading, I have learned that MANY women didn't expect their BFP because they had no symptoms at all. That's why this whole process is such a mind F***. You just don't know. Maybe the swollen ankles will turn out to be one of your early signs after the fact. We never know and that's what makes the waiting so hard! Dh was asking me if I think there's a baby in there and I said it hadn't even been long enough for it to implant, so how would I know? He sooooooo wants a baby. He thinks there is one in there, but all the times that we thought we nailed it have left me skeptical to say the least. CC--hurry back. Emm-- how are you?????? Big hugs and patience dust sprinkled in with the baby dust!

Name: Lulu | Date: January 29, 2006, 10:30

Answer: Mind if I join Yall? (yeah, im from New Orleans). I'm 3 days from expecting AF. Had the progesterone test done on Friday. This is my 2nd round with metformin and femara. ttc for 15 mths. How soon do yall suppose i can take a hpt with a truthful result?

Name: Tracy | Date: January 29, 2006, 10:38

Answer: You could probably take one now Lulu, if AF is only three days away. OR, you could wait just to make sure you get solid results until the day AF is due. New Orleans huh? Were you there for Katrina? Are you there now?

Name: Tracy | Date: January 29, 2006, 10:53

Answer: How amny of you guys have had the HSG test done? Lori, Have you had it?

Name: Tracy | Date: January 29, 2006, 10:54

Answer: I meant to say "many".

Name: Lulu | Date: January 29, 2006, 10:56

Answer: To Tracy. I was born in New Orleans and now live on the outskirts of town. We had a little damage to our home but most of my family lost everything. I think i'll test today. This waiting is killing me!

Name: Lynn | Date: January 29, 2006, 11:19

Answer: Tracy....yes, I am at high risk for something to go worng so I am forever getting ultrasounds. My understanding (and I could be wrong) is you need to be so far along before it shows. Last time was just a mess and that is why I changed RE's in the practice. I have been VERY up front with this one and he knows just where we sit with TTC. I had the HSG done on Feb 2005. At that time my tubes were open, ovaries were fine and uterus was a perfect shape. Then 2 months later ectopic. Not to be a downer...why did it get stuck in the tube if eveything was lloking so perfect in Feb.? I requested it from old RE, he said there was no point seeing I got pregnant in 2004 (had m/c). So, I demanded it. jcr...I just thought of something. I was told you had to wait 12 days after HcG shot so you do not get a false positive seeing that shot has something in it that can be detected on a HPT. Just a thought and wanting to keep your pee stick number low. Also...in the future if you are going to take the HcG shot, you dont have to pee on sticks....the shot does the trick. I was told to pee on 2 sticks this month...(I did 3 just to make sure I was not Oing). I only have 3 HPT in the house so that is my limit this month. CC...how was the bridal shower? LSB...what is happening with you? EMM...how is your son? Where are you in your cycle? d...good luck tomorrow, be calm and ask away...that is why we pay them big bucks...Write it all down. After my ectopic, I had 25 questions written down and asked each one. RE thought I was so prepared. check back later

Name: Lynn | Date: January 29, 2006, 11:21

Answer: Ooops...Tracy my ectopic was 7 month after HSG not 2.......

Name: Lori | Date: January 29, 2006, 11:44

Answer: Welcome Lulu!! HPTs pick up different levels, you probably could test now but, don't get too discouraged if it turns up negative. Some women don't even get a positive until AF is a week late. Good luck!! Tracy - I just feel different because this cycle was meds only compared to meds and IUI. I have NONE of the symptoms like last month... even though it would be too early to have any anyway. And yes I had an HSG in October or was it September, can't remember. JCR - Lynn is right about not testing with the HcG shot. My RE won't test until 16 days past the shot. It stinks that we can't get a result that we can believe due to the shot. Lynn - I am doing ok I guess. How are you feeling? We are now in the "wait and see" mode! AF should NOT being showing up on the 8th, sooo far away. Just doing the finger tap thing and waiting it out.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 29, 2006, 11:47

Answer: I feel like total shit today. Feel like I am getting or could get a migraine, so I just took my medication. I was so worried this medication could mess things up for me, but doctor said all should be fine and just not to take it when organ formation is in process. I am trying to trust his professional opinion, but I don't trust the drug companies. Last month I had that migraine around the same exact time. I think it is relative to the high level of progesterone that my body is not used to. I'll take it as a good sign though since my progesterone level last month was 32.6 on day 21 and I had my migraine on day 20. Like I said before, I only get migraines when I have AF and I know it's due to the change in hormones after AF begins. Today is cd19. My progesterone test is Tuesday. Lulu, glad you faired well in the hurricane and are here to talk to us today! I survived hurricane Andrew that hit south florida in 1992. FEMA had to give me money and everything.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 29, 2006, 11:50

Answer: Lori- I just saw your post. Don't be discouraged at all that this month is only meds. My older sister did meds and IUI on her first cycle and got AF. Second cycle only did meds and BOOM, along came baby Cate. It can happen!

Name: jcr | Date: January 29, 2006, 12:19

Answer: Welcome lulu! How did you do with the femara? I did the same thing this month femara and metformin. Then hcg. I am torn about the progesterone, I just know it stopped the spotting with Ryley and who knows with m/c? Maybe, maybe not?? OK, the reason I used so many pee sticks is b/c Re told me to start testing cd 10-I got 3 suges all on different days. So I tried a few extra to see where I was at. The nurse finally said that due to pcos I am not getting accurate opk's duh!! So now it is just the hpt sticks-have 6 in my cupboard. You all know I can use those up like candy!!! I have a problem I admit it. Tracy don't you want to test....come on you know you dooooo!! Welcome to my addiction. Ladies, I just want you to know I look forward to reading this post every morning and seeing how you are all doing, it's SOOOOO great to not have to go thru this alone. BIG HUGS and belllyrubs.

Name: Lulu | Date: January 29, 2006, 14:39

Answer: to JCR-I'm doing very well with Femara and metformin. Hardly any side effects. just a little diahrrea from time to time. Like i said earlier, i just finished my 2nd round with femara and i take metformin 2x a day. My last progesterone test was 6.5 up from 4 from when i started this. I pray its at least 10 when i get the results tomorrow. if not, the doc said we're going to have a talk. that scares me a wee bit. i'm already about 1500.00 in the hole so far, dont know how much further i can go financial and emotionally.

Name: Tracy | Date: January 29, 2006, 19:28

Answer: So, I did get a migraine although it didn't develop like last months into the puking and stuff. I caught it early, but next time need to take the meds straight away instead of waiting to see if it might get worse. I slept most of the afternoon. I was totally delerious. I feel much better now. JCR-- I too look forward to checking in with everyone each day. I am able to talk and share, which I think is very psychologically rewarding, and I get to be there for others (also rewarding). I like you girls very much and wish we were all geographically closer so we could meet. One of the things I like about the web though is that we do come from many different walks of life and have a lot to bring to the discussion table.

Name: d | Date: January 29, 2006, 22:23

Answer: Hi ladies. Lulu welcome. Sorry i have been off in lalaland cause i am sooo ticked off at myself. Hope you are feeling better Tracy. SOrry ladies i have to catch up on this weekends posts. Well tomorrow is my appt and I tell you i am going in there expecting to be told i am pg when they do an ultrasound. i am not leaving there until they figure out what is going on. For 20 years the witch has never been no less than 6 days. Mind you the other day it stopped. well last night it stopped and has not returned. knock on wood... anyone have any idea what could be going on? this is so damn aggervating. I will make the list and hopefully the dr will hear me out. I am sorry this is short. I am waiting for dh to get back. Hope to talk to you all tomorrow before my appt. You know I will be on here after. Baby DUst and Happy Thoughts. And lots of bfp's this month.

Name: Lynn | Date: January 29, 2006, 22:44

Answer: d....how long did you bleed when it began the last time? you need to write all of this down and have it for the doctor. They may not have some answers but inquire about any tests that can do for now. They could probably do an ultrasound at the very least. When I had my ectopic in Sept, I bleed once a days for 3 weeks until they found it. I questioned and kept going back for more tests and ultrasounds. Sept. was a crazy month for me. Just do not get upset if there is no answer for what you are experiencing. I would think at the very least they would do some blood levels to see what your hormone levels are. Tracy...I can relate to those headaches. I get them also and sleep is a good thing to do for it. well girls, I too am a junking who like to talk to you girls and see what is happening. You girls are probably the only ones in my world who do not say, "relax it will happen for you". Thanks for the support and I am glad to be part of your support. g'nite girls.

Name: EMM | Date: January 29, 2006, 22:45

Answer: Hello everyone! Welcome lulu. I am about to head to bed. Just wanted to check in first. Family and I went shopping today for all the people having babies. It sucked a little, but it was also kind of fun. Lucky for the expectant moms that we want a baby so bad...we went overboard on gifts. Oh well, it was fun. No signs yet, did have some tender bbs, but it went away so I am not really stressing about it. I have been slightly emotional today, but that could be for a number of reasons ie I can't find work after completing med trans school. Well, I will talk with you all tomorrow. I can't wait to see someone scream about a BFP soon! I need some encouragement!!

Name: d | Date: January 29, 2006, 23:46

Answer: Lynn, Wed it started about 12pm then stopped around 2-21/2 hours later and restarted in the evening. Friday normal flow and then stopped saturday early afternoon and it seems to be gone now. I am always heavy heavy flow from beginning to about the end. it always has been 6 days no less, no more up until this month. Hmmm. Well ladies, i have to work on my list and get some rest. Talk to you all in a couple hours. Baby Dust and Happy Thoughts

Name: jcr | Date: January 30, 2006, 0:20

Answer: d, I hope your appt goes well tomorrow and make sure you get to the bottom of this. I am keeping my fingers and $100 crossed for your bfp!! Who knows, stranger things have happened. Well we are going to bd one more night just incase and then it's all the waiting game. We all know we do that well!! Our imaginations start to work overtime!! I know this month we are going to see some bfp's and hopefully Lulu you'll start us off. Good night and belly rubs.

Name: d | Date: January 30, 2006, 8:53

Answer: Good Morning Ladies. I really do not want to go to the dr but i know i should. I keep thinking of ways not to go. but how could i not get there. my dr is less than a block away from my house. I hope everyone is well this morning. Baby Dust and happy thoughts.

Name: d | Date: January 30, 2006, 12:29

Answer: Well I went.. took blood work running blood pregnancy tests and hormone levels. I am going for an ultrasound on thursday morning. so i guess i will know then what is going on cause dr said he won't know until then anyways.

Name: CC | Date: January 30, 2006, 12:33

Answer: Good morning everyone! I have missed you all and thought about you this weekend (how scary is that?!)...I have only briefly read through all the posts, I hate being away for so long, its really hard to catch up and keep things straight. I think I was the 1st O this month, I am on cd 21, 8 dpo already. I know this is not easy to do, but when you dont think about where you are so much in your cycle, the time really flies by! It was easy this month w/ no meds, etc. so I had no constant reminders of what day I was on. Tracy, I do remember you had a post about having a hsg. I have had it done, I'll tell you more about it if you want...d, good luck w/ your appointment, dont dread it, welcome it as a chance for some answers! AF's change sometimes, and sometimes you just have a funky month out of many, and it could have been what you are having. No one has perfect AF's their whole life (wouldnt that be nice!)..jcr, if you will be down here after 4:30 either day tomorrow or Wed, I will meet you for certain! Let me know...(glad you O'd!!yeah!) Lynn, our eggies do weird things all the time, you just never know. Guess you and jcr will be testing in about a week and a half or so. Lori, I am w/ Tracy, you never know w/ so called symptoms anymore...Even every pregnancy is so different w/ what mom feels and doesnt in the beginning..Keep positive, because sore bbs and swollen ankles could be enough for you to have great news soon! Lulu, welcome and good luck..Hope you have some great news to share w/ us soon! I know this post is scattered, I just wanted to get something in here this morning...Thinking of you all!!

Name: CC | Date: January 30, 2006, 12:35

Answer: d, glad you got some tests run, and by Thursday, you should know if there is even anything to know..Could have just been one of those funny cycles.